The average amerimutt doesn't know shit about them, or really anything about late antiquity and the medieval period outside of western Europe. In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.
USA can't even teach WW2 correctly let alone medieval history. The Eastern front is not taught at all and D-Day is basically considered the Battle at the Black Gate from LOTR.
Maybe if the Russians could have actually supported their own war effort, instead of desperately needing Lend-Lease on account of communist "economics"...
That's also why you can't do an eastern front movie in Hollywood, because it doesn't conform to the American perception of WW2 as a heroic asskicking adventure across the pond.
>In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.
I had to study them for European History and mater World History, you self hating homosexual
This. When I was in HS a decade ago, literally every chapter in my american history textbooks was always some roundabout shit about how blacks are oppressed and whitey is evil. Didn't matter the decade or the subject matter or anything. Every chapter needed it drilled into our heads BLACKS GOOD WHITES BAD. I can only imagine things have gotten worse since then in the textbooks, required reading, etc
So what? A person should only really be concerned about their nation's history to begin with. If you don't need to know every Black person king of Africa why the frick should I need to know every inbred king of Europe?
I'm european and I don't know shit about them, other than they were the remnant of the roman empire. We just never covered them in history class other than mentioning that they existed like once.
They were the Roman empire, Byzantine is a name that was retroactively applied by enlightenment scholastics becuase their Venetian israelite masters were jealous that the Eastern Roman Empire was a bastion of civilisation for a 1000 years while the rest of Europe was filled with barbaric warlords.
Because the West doesn't want its audiences to know that there was a 1000 year long Christian empire in the East. It blows apart the "Christians started the Dark Age!!!" narrative. I would love to see movies covering East Rome's high points and its fall, starting from Constantine the Great all the way to Constantinople's siege. You could even have a film that covers how the scholars escaping the city's fall ultimately started the Renaissance in the West. Aw man it would be awesome and that's why it will never be made or be done any justice whatsoever
>Hollywood
Try all Western History.
They pretend like it never existed despite lasting 1000 years.
THIS. If they told the history of The Eastern Roman Empire they would have to show how endlessly evil Islam is. Also they would have to show a Civilization that was wealthier than any other in the world and more advanced than any in the world at a time when liberals in the media still want to sell the false atheist /enlightenment idea of a " Dark Ages ". If they show Eastern Rome the myth of the Dark ages disappears.
I think I remember reading a graphic novel years ago about an Orkney viking who comes home from serving in the Varangian guard and gets involved in vendettas and power struggles against other local strongmen. It was pretty good, I liked the whole kind of Rambo-esque setup where the protagonist comes back to small town fights after being off in a distant land. Can't for the life of me remember what it was called though, but I remember thinking it would have made a good film or series.
Northlanders and it was a great fricking comic. More specifically Sven the Returned story. It was basically and anthology series about various Viking stories.
Americans literally know nothing about Byzantine history and care even less to learn. Furthermore Chinese audiences give no shits about any historical epic that doesn't include them. European audiences are hit or miss. So given the choice between spending a shitzillion to make a capeshit with universal moron appeal or a film with iffy prospects across the biggest markets, what do you think is the safer investment?
It was the Renaissance sucking off antiquity they pretty much ignored the Rome that actually existed in the Middle Ages. It's not too surprising, the only exception is what the ERE did for Christianity
Another factor was that a lot of the Renaissance histories of ancient Rome were written by scholars from the Holy Roman Empire who were explicitly biased about protecting their "Rome"'s claim to legitimacy. They didn't invent the concept of the ERE as a separate greek polity but they sure as hell popularized it.
Here's the thread where I originally posted it. Amusingly someone made this exact same joke there with my older version
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/66903223/#66906192
Basically Belisarius got sent at the head of a fleet to wipe out the Vandals after they had held North Africa for 100 years. He succeeded beyond everyone's wildest dreams. In a matter of months he had done what no one in either half of the Empire could do for a century.
So they sent him to do the same thing in Italy but that shit instantly went sideways. 20 years of clown fiesta, Belisarius being sent back to Rome to stand trial, Belisarius being sent back to the field, and finally Belisarius being recalled for the last time, ultimately the ERE "won" the Gothic war.
I wouldn't wanna redo Rome but with Byzantines(even though that's completely appropriate). I'd instead do a 12-14 episode miniseries with about 1 hour episodes covering different people in different epochs of the Empire, usually with stories showing perspectives of people on events. Let different writers make it an anthology of small stories about small people adjacent to big people or involved in big events to give us writing freedom using made up people. Give the every man's perspective on why we're being sacked/sieged for the umpteenth time and how we plan to survive, or what this new emperor is up to. Use the historical events to tell a story, not be the story. I wish there were more series like this.
A Byzantine soldier befriends a captured Sassanid and it follows their friendship throughout Maurice's reign, the complete execution of Maurice and his entire family by Phocas and his renewed war against the once-allied Sassanids, and ends with a shot of a sea of crescent standards in the desert
Reminds me of a real anecdote about the twin towns on the Euphrates that marked the border between Byzantium and Persia
When the Arabs rushed from the desert and attacked the Sassanid border guard detachment, the Byzantine commander and his troops crossed the river to join their erstwhile enemies and fought to the last man against the Muslims
Yeah but you have pre-Islam wars with Persia, steppe hordes attacking (Huns, PechBlack folk, Avars etc.), Bulgar wars, Rus conflicts/alliances, Varangian guard pov, politics on the throne, Norman invasions, religious/philosophical opportunities, biopic about Simeon the Sylite etc.
The final Byzantine-Sassanid war is some of the most insane shit in history. It's filled with Game of Thrones level intrigue and sudden reversals (including an actual Red Wedding where one of the Persian princes murdered his father and all his brothers) but all real
Hollywood's unwillingness to deal with history outside of a few narrow spheres of interest honestly enrages me. We'll see a hundred more movies about Nigerian-Brits flynning in some dreary 13th-century castle before we get one goddamned Byzantine movie.
Why can't they just make movies that take place in black spheres of the world? Why do they just keep rehashing medieval Europe and cram black people in it?
They’re making a movie about the dahomey amazons right now
Yes the same dahomey whose black king was one of the last to resist the abolishment of the slave trade by the brits
I remember a college class that compared three different empires (Inca, Venetian, Byzantine). The book about the Byzantines was very eye-opening, and as a Western Christian it was my first encounter with the Ecumenical Councils. My journey to Orthodoxy has its seeds there.
The Venetian Republic/Maritime Republics are hyper-underrated.
If I were to be a conspiracy theorist I think that the reason they don't get taught about more is because they basically show that republics were a thing throughout the entirety of the Medieval period and that disrupts the "MUH ENLIGHTENMENT" propaganda of the Middle Ages as just a feudal theocratic shithole.
Any history enjoyer can tell me when they stopped being or feeling Roman? We always talk about the fall of the roman empire but in reality, the eastern part continued for almost a thousand years after the fall of the west. Did they consider themselves "roman" after the fall of the west??
They considered themselves “Roman” in name basically the entire time, which shouldn’t be surprising seeing how every culture within a thousand miles of Italy tried to stylize themselves as Roman. Realistically I think the drift from classical Rome started with the advent of Christianity, there was no way to recapture or fully regain that spirit when so much of the Roman ethos was tied up in pagan values. I’d argue once Islam arrived on the scene and beat them down, there wasn’t much of a tie to the Roman aura of invincibility and longevity; losing historical provinces like Syria and Egypt was a huge blow to legitimacy and continuity. So I’d say by 700 or so the term Roman had probably lost most or all of its meaning even to people high up in the bureaucracy.
I only meant that Christianity started the break from Roman-ness, but by the 300s and so I think that’s true, the point of no return had been crossed. It’s not that the concept of being Roman was gone that early, but the root of its spirit in pagan rites, military duty and political service was replaced by a loyalty that lay separate from the state, even after Constantine. It seriously weakened the institutions that defined Rome, and so all that was really left post-fall was the sense of superiority and history, which then fell apart along with the rest of the empire throughout the 600s.
In the sense of feeling a particular affiliation with the Tiber and Latinity, fairly early – they phased out Latin in the 500s and basically dispensed with any remaining trappings of Roman republicanism. On the other hand they strongly identified as Roman in the sense of being the heirs of the Mediterranean empire, Christianity, and civilization as they understood it. Informally they called their land "Romania", and "Roman" (Greek Rhomaios, Arabic/Turkish Rumi) remained the local ethnonym for Greeks through the whole Ottoman period. It wasn't until the 19th century, under Romantic influence, that the Greeks started to revive nostalgia for their old pre-Roman heritage, and the independentists struggled to convince Greeks that they were "Hellenes" because that word had basically come to mean "pagan" in their understanding.
The Hellene/Romaioi split kind of already existed in the Byzantine Greek-speaking world. Peninsular Greece never really considered itself Roman, especially the interior parts. Constantinople wasn't strictly Greek, although the Greek language was its lingua franca, a lot of the people who settled there when Constantine expanded Byzantion were in fact ethnic Romans and Italians.
even as late as the early 1800s, shortly before the greek war of independence and the formation of the modern greek state,
if you asked an ethnically greek citizen of the ottoman empire what their ethnicity was,
they would answer "Ρωμιός" (Roman).
Before Greek nationalism gained traction in the 19th century, Greeks still called themselves Romans. And the Ottoman word for their Greek subjects is a Turkish word for Romans.
The only actual Byzantine movie I know of is the terrible 60s German-Italian history picture Kampf um Rom with Orson Welles as Justinian
It's about the Gothic War but completely changes the history
There's also a couple of scenes in the Message which show the court of Heraclius against a terrible backdrop of the interior of Hagia Sophia, but besides that the costumes look accurate enough.
They hate Orthodox Christians and Emperor Constantine. They also want to remove anything Greek from that era and call it Roman. Who copied everything from Greece.
Is all this Byzantine circle jerking some new /misc/ meme or something? Every Byzantineboo seems like it all comes back to some Christian utopia fantasy.
who gives a shit? give me a single spotless period of history where human beings didn’t genocide and destroy shit. there isn’t one. at least christians left a load of beautiful poetry and art
I always feel envious whenever I see anons discussing cool history stuff on this type of threads.
It makes me feel so ignorant; what little I know myself comes from randomly jumping around through wikipedia pages on bored evenings.
Where do I even start to learn about a period in depth? Should I just consume history books in my spare time?
More importantly I'm worried where to look for unbiased information. Literally every documentary I've watched that wasn't nature-themed was insultingly influenced by current worldview politics and had an obvious narrative to push.
All sources are biased, we don’t have color footage of everything that ever happened with transcripts of every conversation. For many people who enjoy history that’s part of the fun, getting glimpses of reality and piecing together the truth. The best I can say is to just start, podcasts if you don’t have the attention for reading in your dopamine addled brain yet, popsci and history if you can’t handle more academic sources. But if you start learning you’ll find that more sources and more information will naturally flow as you seek more stories.
Always look into the the author/historian and decide for yourself if they are talking out their ass or not. The same can be said of historians of their time, like procopius, who would tell two separate accounts at the same time.
The Byzantines were probably even worse to the israelites than the Latins
holy based
No they weren't and you are a moron
This
The average amerimutt doesn't know shit about them, or really anything about late antiquity and the medieval period outside of western Europe. In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.
In middle school history i read the entire book front to back and loved the ERE era most. Worst timeline 🙁
USA can't even teach WW2 correctly let alone medieval history. The Eastern front is not taught at all and D-Day is basically considered the Battle at the Black Gate from LOTR.
Maybe if the Russians could have actually supported their own war effort, instead of desperately needing Lend-Lease on account of communist "economics"...
That's also why you can't do an eastern front movie in Hollywood, because it doesn't conform to the American perception of WW2 as a heroic asskicking adventure across the pond.
What about movies about the 6 million
>In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.
I had to study them for European History and mater World History, you self hating homosexual
*later
Sorry I wasn’t an AP nerd
The American view of history is:
>bible times
>romans
>game of thrones
>american revolution
>slavery and civil war
>ww2/holohoax
>vietnam
All based and accurate
you forgot about aliens/blacks building the pyramids
>9/11
>jan 6
Updated that for you
Basically yeah. Public school history is a joke.
Add jim crow they really make sure the hammer home the white guilt
This. When I was in HS a decade ago, literally every chapter in my american history textbooks was always some roundabout shit about how blacks are oppressed and whitey is evil. Didn't matter the decade or the subject matter or anything. Every chapter needed it drilled into our heads BLACKS GOOD WHITES BAD. I can only imagine things have gotten worse since then in the textbooks, required reading, etc
So what? A person should only really be concerned about their nation's history to begin with. If you don't need to know every Black person king of Africa why the frick should I need to know every inbred king of Europe?
Mutts don't even know most of their own history either. Mention manifest destiny or the french and indian war and see the blank look on their faces
I learned about all of those in school. Try again.
>Not being Texan and having a whole class dedicated to state history
Remember the Aayyylmao
I'm european and I don't know shit about them, other than they were the remnant of the roman empire. We just never covered them in history class other than mentioning that they existed like once.
They were the Roman empire, Byzantine is a name that was retroactively applied by enlightenment scholastics becuase their Venetian israelite masters were jealous that the Eastern Roman Empire was a bastion of civilisation for a 1000 years while the rest of Europe was filled with barbaric warlords.
Because the West doesn't want its audiences to know that there was a 1000 year long Christian empire in the East. It blows apart the "Christians started the Dark Age!!!" narrative. I would love to see movies covering East Rome's high points and its fall, starting from Constantine the Great all the way to Constantinople's siege. You could even have a film that covers how the scholars escaping the city's fall ultimately started the Renaissance in the West. Aw man it would be awesome and that's why it will never be made or be done any justice whatsoever
Yep...
Average Americans think Rome only lasted until 476, actually who am I kidding they don't know shit about Rome
>Average Americans think Rome only lasted until 476
that's very generous of you
Uhhhhh that CESAR guy killed Rome and shiet
Real homies know Rome lasted until 480. Justice for Nepos!
>twelve years of grade school
Shit how old were you when you got to middle school?
>he doesnt know teachers lurk here
It destroys their entire "Muslims are le innocent peaceful indigenous peoples" narrative.
Depends on what story you are telling, venetians did most of the damage
THIS. If they told the history of The Eastern Roman Empire they would have to show how endlessly evil Islam is. Also they would have to show a Civilization that was wealthier than any other in the world and more advanced than any in the world at a time when liberals in the media still want to sell the false atheist /enlightenment idea of a " Dark Ages ". If they show Eastern Rome the myth of the Dark ages disappears.
>Hollywood
Try all Western History.
They pretend like it never existed despite lasting 1000 years.
>1000 years
Try >2,500.
try 4.400
>4.400
is >2,500
No because we need another movie about Vikings instead
Varankino? I like the cut of your jib anon
I was trying to diss the saturation of Viking related media but that would be awesome, yes.
I think I remember reading a graphic novel years ago about an Orkney viking who comes home from serving in the Varangian guard and gets involved in vendettas and power struggles against other local strongmen. It was pretty good, I liked the whole kind of Rambo-esque setup where the protagonist comes back to small town fights after being off in a distant land. Can't for the life of me remember what it was called though, but I remember thinking it would have made a good film or series.
Northlanders and it was a great fricking comic. More specifically Sven the Returned story. It was basically and anthology series about various Viking stories.
Americans literally know nothing about Byzantine history and care even less to learn. Furthermore Chinese audiences give no shits about any historical epic that doesn't include them. European audiences are hit or miss. So given the choice between spending a shitzillion to make a capeshit with universal moron appeal or a film with iffy prospects across the biggest markets, what do you think is the safer investment?
>give no shits about any historical epic that doesn't include them
Dragon Blade is Roman-kino. They should also do War of the Heavenly Horses
i really don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist about this
but goddamn its fricking weird how memoryholed ERE seems to be in western culture
It was the Renaissance sucking off antiquity they pretty much ignored the Rome that actually existed in the Middle Ages. It's not too surprising, the only exception is what the ERE did for Christianity
Another factor was that a lot of the Renaissance histories of ancient Rome were written by scholars from the Holy Roman Empire who were explicitly biased about protecting their "Rome"'s claim to legitimacy. They didn't invent the concept of the ERE as a separate greek polity but they sure as hell popularized it.
I made this pepe like 6 years ago, I'm glad it's still being used. In a few months I'm starting a PhD focused on Byzantium
No. I made it.
Here's the thread where I originally posted it. Amusingly someone made this exact same joke there with my older version
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/66903223/#66906192
>anzu
WE NEED TO GO BACK
Nice. How'd you achieve the mosaicing effect?
Just used a filter in Gimp (Filters->Distorts->Mosaic)
Using HBO Rome as a template, how would (you) do a Byzantine show?
>Two soldiers are caught up in the historical events of an era
>Historical event would you cover?
First season is Justinian's reign. Main character is Belisarius, we follow him from the nika riots to the reconquest of italy
Vanity of Vanities would be kino
>Belisarius
QRD?
Germoid larper
just watch this series if you are illiterate
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUOc2qodFHp_HvRHG7Kib4hbuaqavf85V
Basically Belisarius got sent at the head of a fleet to wipe out the Vandals after they had held North Africa for 100 years. He succeeded beyond everyone's wildest dreams. In a matter of months he had done what no one in either half of the Empire could do for a century.
So they sent him to do the same thing in Italy but that shit instantly went sideways. 20 years of clown fiesta, Belisarius being sent back to Rome to stand trial, Belisarius being sent back to the field, and finally Belisarius being recalled for the last time, ultimately the ERE "won" the Gothic war.
Ceasar 2.0
Obviously the story of the Last Roman, Belisarius. Theres just so much shit there, even a natural phenomenon
>belaisarius
>last roman
That’s not my homie flavius aetius
I wouldn't wanna redo Rome but with Byzantines(even though that's completely appropriate). I'd instead do a 12-14 episode miniseries with about 1 hour episodes covering different people in different epochs of the Empire, usually with stories showing perspectives of people on events. Let different writers make it an anthology of small stories about small people adjacent to big people or involved in big events to give us writing freedom using made up people. Give the every man's perspective on why we're being sacked/sieged for the umpteenth time and how we plan to survive, or what this new emperor is up to. Use the historical events to tell a story, not be the story. I wish there were more series like this.
Wars of the diadochi, licence to print endless kino. You could even do flashbacks to the campaigns of alexander and big phil
A Byzantine soldier befriends a captured Sassanid and it follows their friendship throughout Maurice's reign, the complete execution of Maurice and his entire family by Phocas and his renewed war against the once-allied Sassanids, and ends with a shot of a sea of crescent standards in the desert
Reminds me of a real anecdote about the twin towns on the Euphrates that marked the border between Byzantium and Persia
When the Arabs rushed from the desert and attacked the Sassanid border guard detachment, the Byzantine commander and his troops crossed the river to join their erstwhile enemies and fought to the last man against the Muslims
Bulgar slaying and blinding.
>kino about pious Christians constantly being invaded hordes of Muslims looking to murder and enslave people
Never. Gonna. Happen.
Yeah but you have pre-Islam wars with Persia, steppe hordes attacking (Huns, PechBlack folk, Avars etc.), Bulgar wars, Rus conflicts/alliances, Varangian guard pov, politics on the throne, Norman invasions, religious/philosophical opportunities, biopic about Simeon the Sylite etc.
The final Byzantine-Sassanid war is some of the most insane shit in history. It's filled with Game of Thrones level intrigue and sudden reversals (including an actual Red Wedding where one of the Persian princes murdered his father and all his brothers) but all real
Also literally consumed two empires over multiple generations and allowed the rise of the Arabs
~~*Hollywood*~~ hates Christianity.
That explains why they hate Mel Gibson
It's all Greek to me.
Hollywood's unwillingness to deal with history outside of a few narrow spheres of interest honestly enrages me. We'll see a hundred more movies about Nigerian-Brits flynning in some dreary 13th-century castle before we get one goddamned Byzantine movie.
Why can't they just make movies that take place in black spheres of the world? Why do they just keep rehashing medieval Europe and cram black people in it?
Because the blacks didn't write anything down.
No records, no history. We barely know anything about sub-Saharan history.
Yeah but what about the Ethiopians or the Moops?
Didn't they write shit down?
The Moops passed down their written records in the Trivial Pursuit tome.
MOORS
MOOPS
They’re making a movie about the dahomey amazons right now
Yes the same dahomey whose black king was one of the last to resist the abolishment of the slave trade by the brits
that'd be nice. African history was largely oral but it doesn't mean that it didn't exist and still survives in the myths and folklore.
Because like Byzantium, African history doesn't even exist for the majority of morons in the US.
African history doesn’t exist period
*sub saharan
Don't forget East Coast/Horn. Some good history there.
Kushite history is real and interesting. South of that is broadly irrelevant until what, Shaka?
Swahilis had pretty vibrant trade culture in the Medieval era. Mosques, libraries, spices.
Because the whole point of propaganda is to frick you
It will be focus in one of the empress... you should know what that means.
their history was never really taught. the first I ever read about them was in my encyclopedia as a kid. even that wasn't much, maybe a page.
is the Secret History true or one big shitpost by Procopius?
I remember a college class that compared three different empires (Inca, Venetian, Byzantine). The book about the Byzantines was very eye-opening, and as a Western Christian it was my first encounter with the Ecumenical Councils. My journey to Orthodoxy has its seeds there.
The Venetian Republic/Maritime Republics are hyper-underrated.
If I were to be a conspiracy theorist I think that the reason they don't get taught about more is because they basically show that republics were a thing throughout the entirety of the Medieval period and that disrupts the "MUH ENLIGHTENMENT" propaganda of the Middle Ages as just a feudal theocratic shithole.
Any history enjoyer can tell me when they stopped being or feeling Roman? We always talk about the fall of the roman empire but in reality, the eastern part continued for almost a thousand years after the fall of the west. Did they consider themselves "roman" after the fall of the west??
They considered themselves roman to the very end. In fact, the turks adopted the name from them and called asia minor the sultanate of rum (rome)
Yeah they called themselves basileion rhomaion for a while, which is Greek for Roman empire
They considered themselves “Roman” in name basically the entire time, which shouldn’t be surprising seeing how every culture within a thousand miles of Italy tried to stylize themselves as Roman. Realistically I think the drift from classical Rome started with the advent of Christianity, there was no way to recapture or fully regain that spirit when so much of the Roman ethos was tied up in pagan values. I’d argue once Islam arrived on the scene and beat them down, there wasn’t much of a tie to the Roman aura of invincibility and longevity; losing historical provinces like Syria and Egypt was a huge blow to legitimacy and continuity. So I’d say by 700 or so the term Roman had probably lost most or all of its meaning even to people high up in the bureaucracy.
This is an interesting take but by your metric Roman lost meaning by 220 or so
I only meant that Christianity started the break from Roman-ness, but by the 300s and so I think that’s true, the point of no return had been crossed. It’s not that the concept of being Roman was gone that early, but the root of its spirit in pagan rites, military duty and political service was replaced by a loyalty that lay separate from the state, even after Constantine. It seriously weakened the institutions that defined Rome, and so all that was really left post-fall was the sense of superiority and history, which then fell apart along with the rest of the empire throughout the 600s.
In the sense of feeling a particular affiliation with the Tiber and Latinity, fairly early – they phased out Latin in the 500s and basically dispensed with any remaining trappings of Roman republicanism. On the other hand they strongly identified as Roman in the sense of being the heirs of the Mediterranean empire, Christianity, and civilization as they understood it. Informally they called their land "Romania", and "Roman" (Greek Rhomaios, Arabic/Turkish Rumi) remained the local ethnonym for Greeks through the whole Ottoman period. It wasn't until the 19th century, under Romantic influence, that the Greeks started to revive nostalgia for their old pre-Roman heritage, and the independentists struggled to convince Greeks that they were "Hellenes" because that word had basically come to mean "pagan" in their understanding.
The Hellene/Romaioi split kind of already existed in the Byzantine Greek-speaking world. Peninsular Greece never really considered itself Roman, especially the interior parts. Constantinople wasn't strictly Greek, although the Greek language was its lingua franca, a lot of the people who settled there when Constantine expanded Byzantion were in fact ethnic Romans and Italians.
They didn't call themselves Greeks (Hellenes) until the 19th century
even as late as the early 1800s, shortly before the greek war of independence and the formation of the modern greek state,
if you asked an ethnically greek citizen of the ottoman empire what their ethnicity was,
they would answer "Ρωμιός" (Roman).
Before Greek nationalism gained traction in the 19th century, Greeks still called themselves Romans. And the Ottoman word for their Greek subjects is a Turkish word for Romans.
>live in US
>mention I'm Orthodox
>people literally don't even know wtf I'm talking about
I know that feel, brother.
>tfw three orthodox churches in my city
Our power is growing
There are a ton where I live in SGV
not a thing in pophistory so no audience
What's so special about the Byzantines? They lost all their lands to Slavs and Muslims, until struggling to hold on to Constantinople for 500 years
Most empires don't survive a few hundred years, the byzantines held on for a thousand on top of the 500 yeras of the WRE
Holy Roman Empire lasted from the 900s to early 1800s
>Secular German Clusterfrick
FTFY
>holy
>roman
>empire
I haven't seen this meme in ages lol
There isn't a more reddit ""empire"" in history than Byzantium
I'd rather we do one on the Visigoths featuring:
>Radha Mitchell
>Antje Traue
>Robert Carlyle
>Karl Urban
>Kevin McKidd
>Jonathan Rhys Meyers
>Scott McElroy
>Marton Csokas
>Eva Green
>Sadwyn Brophy
>Jeanne Goursaud
there already is true Byzantium kino tho :^)
What went wrong?
christsisters...
Crisis of the third century
>all the Christians have cuckface
Christiantroonybros…
Christian Rome is way more interesting imo
Too busy trolling the christcuck cattle with Hollywood blockbusters.
>Why is Hollywood afraid to tackle Byzankino?
cant even get any really good youtube byzantine content
>tfw dovahatty ended his byzantine series
what? why?
He got up to the part with first caliphate and didn't want a muzzie backlash
but he makes a vid on Israel? tf
He kissed israels ass for 10 mins straight
I KNOW IT WAS GAY
we truly live in the darkest timeline
Cast him
Obviously Christian Bale
It's not about fear, OP. It's about profit, and Byzantines don't equal money.
The only actual Byzantine movie I know of is the terrible 60s German-Italian history picture Kampf um Rom with Orson Welles as Justinian
It's about the Gothic War but completely changes the history
There's also a couple of scenes in the Message which show the court of Heraclius against a terrible backdrop of the interior of Hagia Sophia, but besides that the costumes look accurate enough.
mmmmWWUAHH THE GOTHS
The movie about Justinian II would be unbelievably epic and based.
My mother named me after him.
Based mom
Western Europeans are afraid today they might not be the real Europeans, especially after the modern era.
They hate Orthodox Christians and Emperor Constantine. They also want to remove anything Greek from that era and call it Roman. Who copied everything from Greece.
For me, it Nikephoros "White Death of the Saracens" Phokas
Justinian did nothing wrong.
He married a prostitute thespian
you would have to portray christians as good guys
Is all this Byzantine circle jerking some new /misc/ meme or something? Every Byzantineboo seems like it all comes back to some Christian utopia fantasy.
People have been rediscovering the eastern Roman empire just like they did the Western Roman empire. It's not this website.
Its just that its an ignored part of history. Most people think the empire ended in the 400s, which isn't the case.
christians to atheists are like trannies to /misc/. you are obsessed and see your little boogeyman behind everything
>Muh Christianity
So it is some muh former glory /misc/ tier shit
Don't forget the Iconoclasm on the level of Muslims
>doubles down on his weird seething obsession
who gives a shit? give me a single spotless period of history where human beings didn’t genocide and destroy shit. there isn’t one. at least christians left a load of beautiful poetry and art
More like the Muslims copying that shit like they did everything else
byzaboos have been a constant force since like 2013 where have you been
>Cinemaphile - Television and Film
ah fair, I forgot where we were
>/pol/
>Christian
/misc/ hates Christianity because some of the people who adhere to it are brown.
Why do muslims ruin everything, bros?
I always feel envious whenever I see anons discussing cool history stuff on this type of threads.
It makes me feel so ignorant; what little I know myself comes from randomly jumping around through wikipedia pages on bored evenings.
Where do I even start to learn about a period in depth? Should I just consume history books in my spare time?
More importantly I'm worried where to look for unbiased information. Literally every documentary I've watched that wasn't nature-themed was insultingly influenced by current worldview politics and had an obvious narrative to push.
All sources are biased, we don’t have color footage of everything that ever happened with transcripts of every conversation. For many people who enjoy history that’s part of the fun, getting glimpses of reality and piecing together the truth. The best I can say is to just start, podcasts if you don’t have the attention for reading in your dopamine addled brain yet, popsci and history if you can’t handle more academic sources. But if you start learning you’ll find that more sources and more information will naturally flow as you seek more stories.
Always look into the the author/historian and decide for yourself if they are talking out their ass or not. The same can be said of historians of their time, like procopius, who would tell two separate accounts at the same time.