With Madame Web being a total failure, how will Kraven The Hunter do at the box office? Will it destroy Kick-Ass's James Bond hopes?
With Madame Web being a total failure, how will Kraven The Hunter do at the box office?
With Madame Web being a total failure, how will Kraven The Hunter do at the box office? Will it destroy Kick-Ass's James Bond hopes?
2 billies easy
in a result that completely baffles studios and critics, leading to another decade of shitty flops attempting to replicate its success
It will make more, but still bomb because Sony can't make competent films anymore
I thought it was already out
The word on the Hollywood street is that ATJ, originally hesitant to do Bond, has taken the role due to this movie probably doing huge damage to him as a leading man. It'll be announced in the coming months, maybe his casting as Bond could boost Kraven.
I will watch it because he is hot
Flop. No one cares about these Spider-Man spinoffs, unless it's Venom.
Why does Venom stick and these others don't?
Cool monster design.
They are cool in the comics but they aren’t cool enough to have their own movies imo. It would be better to have him be a villain in a spider man movie and not have these big teamups all the time. It’s all so tiresome.
Venom is synonymous with spider-man
Only comic gays know of kraven
>Only comic gays know of kraven
I know him because he was in the spiderman broadway musical
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I read comics but I don't know who's the Bee Man.
ADRENALINE MOMENTUM
Venom is a "villain" with an entire central gimmick that he's not that bad, a big grudge people had with Spider-Man 3 is it removed all of his sympathetic qualities entirely (which is bizarre because the trilogy piled said qualities onto Dr. Octopus and even fricking Hobgoblin)
Even as a child he was my favorite because he was just the guy who gets shit done and is willing to literally bite somebody's head off to save the world
I mean frick the whole point of the Carnage character, who himself now goes back three decades, is just "what if Venom WAS that big of an butthole?"
>Venom is a "villain" with an entire central gimmick that he's not that bad
Are you attempting to describe venom from the comics and shows or the two movies? Because venom was always a villain until they started that agent venom shit circa 2010
Spider-Man TAS peaked with Venom tackling Baron Mordo through a portal to hell to save the world while feeling smug that this made him a way better hero than Spider-Man and Spider-Man PS1 has you fight Venom as the second or third level boss and then spend the rest of the game teamed with him to save New York City from Carnage
spiderpool = venompool = carnagepool
>venom was always a villain until they started that agent venom shit circa 2010
no he wasn't wtf.
he becomes an antihero a few years after his introduction.
ffs he teamed up with Spiderman in 1992 and Lethal Protector was released in 1993
That anon is clearly not read any 90s comics.
If you eat a murderer the number of murderers in the world doesn't decrease
And if you try to eat two murderers to compensate you'll get a tummyache
>big grudge people had with Spider-Man 3 is it removed all of his sympathetic qualities entirely
Literally no one felt that way.
people know who Venom is because of black suit spiderman
It appeals to a wider audience (blacks and hispanics, but really loads of them watched it)
Venom is hot as frick
Because people know who Venom is
This isn't even about the Kraven the Hunter but his son
Yes it is. Aaron plays Sergei Kravinoff aka Kraven the Hunter, Russell plays Nikolai Kravinoff.
Because venom is better than spider-gay (venom has one of the most selled comic in marvel)
Did it have a foil cover?
>No one cares about these Spider-Man spinoffs, unless it's Venom
Daredevil?
Daredevil is not a Spider-Man spinoff character.
And Venom 3 is going to be the last. At least with Hardy.
Why is sony so moronic? Why they keep making these spiderman villian movies?
A woman producer is making them.
They need to keep a hold of the Spider-Man IP. They endager it if they only do the MCU tied Spider-Man movies, there can suddenly be a too long of a gap and the rights reverse back to Marvel.
Amy Pascal wasn't involved in Morbius, Madame Web or Kraven, tho.
Why pick these characters though? Why not Spider-Gwen? People love Spider-Gwen. Or Scarlet Spider. Or Miguel. If they wanted to do a live action Spider-Verse there’s so many options to choose from. Why villains like Morbius and Kraven that have no real star power.
for some reason Sony really wants to do a reverse Avengers movie and create the Sinister Six. Or I guess Suicide Squad but like its way too late for that. They arent even entertaining the idea of a Miguel movie
Why do they keep making Spiderman movies without Spiderman?
Are they hoping for Joker success
I think a Sinister Six movie could work if done right.
Making random standalone movies and having them meet up in the post credits scene isn't the way.
If they were doing the Sinister Six, they should have committed and did a post credit like the MCU did with Nick Fury recruiting the Avengers at the end of each solo film. Without something like that in the Sony Spider Verse, no one’s going to be hyped about these mediocre movies.
>they should have committed and did a post credit like the MCU did
if they wanted to make a sinister six movie it really should've just been spiderman vs the sinister six with no build up and basically just been a greatest hits movie, maybe even get his spiderbros together.
The approach theyre doing right now is making 6 anti hero movies, but like then what is the movie going to be about? Spiderman kicking the ass of people we are supposed to like?
Venom did well at the BO and they immediately thought let's do more of these villain centric origin movies. Madame Web wasn't really a villain, but frick do they know.
Do they not realize how popular Venom is as a character? Kraven is no Venom.
Theres definitely no mass appeal but the movie is supposed to be rated r so might be coo (lot of violent murders in the trailer)l.
The issue with villain movies is literally none of them are portrayed as villains like they are in the comics. You cant make a movie with someone who is 100% a villain, they always end up as anti heroes
Heist films exist. The two guys from Pulp Fiction aren’t exactly good guys. I think they could pull off a villain movie if they actually tried. Like Rhino acting as a hired gun for the mafia or something.
>The two guys from Pulp Fiction aren’t exactly good guys
the whole plot of the movie was that one of them becomes a good guy and the other one a toaster-induced murder victim
No they do not.
>Last year, Emily Carmichael, co-writer of Pacific Rim: Uprising and the upcoming Jurassic World 3, who is set to direct an adaptation of the popular comic-book series Lumberjanes for Fox, took several meetings with Sony, during which she was struck by the scale of the studio’s ambitions for the Spidey Cinematic U. “I was one of the directors called in to pitch on Silver & Black,” Carmichael says in an email to Vulture. “At one of my early meetings on the project I got a peek at the phonebook-sized compendium of characters Sony has the rights to, all characters tangentially related to Spider-Man. It’s a cinematic universe, all right.”
>Asked if she thought the focus on “second tier” characters limited the films’ financial prospects, the director defended Sony’s reasoning. “I heartily object that something known to a few is of a lower tier than something that is known by many,” Carmichael says. “There is nothing inherently problematic in this material. If the creative is good, it could be great.”
https://www.vulture.com/2018/07/how-will-the-spider-man-cinematic-universe-cast-its-web.html
>set to direct an adaptation of the popular comic-book series Lumberjanes for Fox
Oh for FRICK'S sake
Technically she’s correct though. Before the Avengers, no one really cared about Captain America and Iron Man. Spider-Man and X-Men were the most popular Marvel heroes. MCU made Thor, Cap, Iron-Man more culturally relevant than they had ever been. Theoretically Sony could have done the same with Morbius and these others B list villains, but they just botched the execution by not making good movies. They had the right idea, but they didn’t have the talent to pull it off.
Exactly. With right people you can make a good movies out of anythig. Ben Affleck made a good movie about a shoe. It's not like you couldn't make Morbius into a working picture. The Wisdom of Crocodiles crossed with Blade/Underworld/Vampires could have worked.
I guess the money must be good because I can't imagine otherwise why any of these actors keep getting tricked into doing Sony comic book movies. Like after the reaction to Morbius and Venom 2, surely you'd know those movies are career-killers?
>actors keep getting tricked into doing Sony comic book movies
This is nonsensical headcanon
Dakota Johnson famously dumped her talent agency after the first Madame Webb trailer dropped and was ridiculed. Why? Because she finally found out that Spiderman Universe isn't connected to Marvel. A gigantic oversight by her team.
Cavill did the same thing after he got bad capeshit advice. It happens.
There are really too many incidents in history of actors doing genuine 70 to 80 IQ shit with their own careers that it can't all be "cope and headcanon"
Sean Connery was so notorious for it that it almost feels like an accident that he agreed to be in James Bond or Indiana Jones movies
You have zero source for it anon, so be quiet.
Crazy right? They're job is to act like humans. But they're the farthest thing from humans you can get. They literally have no fingers on the pulse of popular culture. You act in movies but don't watch them? Bizarre.
He would have made slop like Matrix kino and LOTR from kino to cinema but anon, he IS James Bond. The biggest peak an actor can ever reach. I doubt he gave much of a shit and that the actors in Matrix/LOTR wouldn't kill to feature in a Bond movie. Bond is like the GTA of the movie industry, it's the gold standard and a tier in and of itself. Hence why Craig has no need to work ever again despite making shit movies.
>Dakota Johnson famously dumped her talent agency after the first Madame Webb trailer dropped and was ridiculed
I also heard she tagged Marvel and not Sony in her instagram post when the movie was announced. What is it with these actors and not even researching what movies they're taking on.
Actors aren't known for their intelligence, or they wouldn't spew liberal ideologies out the ass
I've been trying to find proof of this but it just reverts to greentext as the source. Got a link pls
Trust me
>dumped her talent agency after the first Madame Webb trailer dropped and was ridiculed
So she didn't realize the movie was complete garbage slop when reading the script, or making the movie, or watching any of the previews? She only got mad once it was publicly ridiculed.
Dakota hates liars (ask Ellen DeGeneres).
She got roasted for telling the media that she "hopes the movie is good" admitting that it was about 80% greenscreen. She doesn't understand that shit. You're right she's a full blown moron. But she's never been in a film like this. I doubt she's even watched Avatar. She's an indy actress.
>Why? Because she finally found out that Spiderman Universe isn't connected to Marvel. A gigantic oversight by her team.
This is a lie. She is a moron however regardless.
Uh, it is Marvel, chuds.
>IN ASSOCIATION WITH MARVEL
not
>MARVEL STUDIOS
I see Marvel, it means Marvel, sweaty.
In Johnson's case, he's already played a character in the MCU so I'm sure he understands the distinction but if he's not eligible for another Marvel role since his character is dead this is probably the best secondary option.
With Madame web I think it just boiled down to the actresses and their agents knowing absolutely fricking nothing about the source material and just looking at Venom making $900 mil and thinking "okay, I don't get it but the plebs seem to like this shit." Any geek could have told them Madame Web was orders of magnitude less popular than venom but you really think anyone in their sphere of influence knows that? To them it's all just comic books
why does Aaron Taylor Johnson look like such a gigachad yet still can't sell being a gigachad at all
there's just something about him that makes my brain subconsciously reject "no this guy isn't actually cool" and it isn't triggered by dudes like Hemsworth, Manganiello or Momoa
It's his voice that ruins the package. Too high pitched and squeaky. He needs TRT/voice training.
He has a cute hot prettyboy voice anon
It's not a leading man's voice. He got close in Tenet but he needs to deepen his voice. ASAP.
I would frick him in the ass
>I used to frick guys like you in prison!
Anon how do you change voice? Asking for a friend hahah
Testosterone boosts or eats lots of protein foods.
Thanks! Is there any age limit on voice deepening by the way?
Same ~~*reason*~~ as Jon Bernthal always seeming like a total pussy despite his best efforts.
>Manganiello
literally WHO
>how will Kraven The Hunter do at the box office?
An extremely one-note b-list villain that most people only remember because he used a lion's face as a vest starring in a film powered by Sony "quality" years after superhero fatigue has already set in? Oh, I'm sure it'll do just fine.
Don't know anything about this character. Is it set in modern day or some prehistoric fantasy setting? If its modern day its gonna be ass
It's gonna be bad. Like, real fricking bad.
Didn't they retcon Kraven to be some animal rights eco-terrorist?
Yes, and he also have lion powers because lion blood dropped into his open wound when he was a kid.
Kind of like Poison Ivy. I guess you're not allowed to hurt plants or animals anymore. Neanderthals would have went extinct!
These movies will be considered cult classics one day. Get on the train now so you can say you liked them before it was cool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Chandor
the director has some far made only good films
not great, just good. it all depends if sony let him do his work.
Director of Morbius made Snabba Cash and Life. Both good movies. Doesn't mean he could do a good job under Sony Spiderverse.
>thinking morbius was a bad movie
NGMI
even if it flops, he's got the biggest movie role in the industry locked down for the future (Bond).
The Bond producers will likely review bomb Kraven with positive reviews to make sure their leading man is not associated with a mega flop just before he is the new face of Bond.
nah, they probably don't give a shit and won't do anything about it. his casting as Bond might save Kraven by assocation because when it is announced, he'll be the biggest star on the planet and all eyes will be on him so if he has a new movie out, it follows it will get a boost plus Madame Web is filled with female leads which no one wants to see anyway. Kraven will do well because of the Bond boost and the fact it's R-rated and has more action. My friends said it looks cool and watchable and that the lead looks interesting.
>My friends said it looks cool and watchable and that the lead looks interesting
You should quit associating with this friend network
My friends aren't Cinemaphile users, anon. They don't care that this movie is a cashgrab made out of a C-list capeshit character. They see anything that has action. They're ultimately simple men who want a thrill for 2 hours while drinking soda and that's what movies, at the end of it. But yeah, they're barely 'best' friends, I keep them around so my parents don't get worried and start lecturing me.
So I'm right, as expected
You know you can get other friends who have taste in film
Haven't found them anon but I'd love to. It would certainly make life more enjoyable.
>My friends said it looks cool and watchable and that the lead looks interesting.
Pretty sure many normies were interested in Madame Web for a while till they found out it was a shitshow
Do you think your moron friends going to see Kraven are going to somehow save this movie?
moron
No but hey, at least there's a male lead and action. If the main actor gets announced as Bond by then, people will go see it just to see what he's all about due to that massive association.
He doesn't even fricking hunt animals
and the actor playing him looks like a pretty boy
Every single person beyond all the big media shows and movies are all fricking dumpster trash idiots that have no clue what they are doing
This movie is gonna blow fat wiener and everyone knows it
behind *
All the shit they announced.
MOTHER OF GOD
The only ones that will be produced are sinister six, silver sable and the spider-verse projects, the rest are too literally who's to finance
Forgot to include the sony/marvel project since that's just the next spider-man film with tom
Is the Sinister Six still happening? Apparently Hardy's leaving after Venom 3 and that's the only spin off that has been moderately successful
https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/sinister-six/sinister-six-movie-rumored-to-be-back-on-at-sony-pictures-with-its-live-action-spin-off-characters-a207985#gs.4ibmtf
Venom isn't a main member of the S6 so it's irrelevant, but they've constantly teased the idea since asm2 set it up, and all the og members have appeared in the Holland trilogy, it's only a matter of time
>but they've constantly teased the idea since asm2 set it up
They had Garfield signed up for TASM 3, 4 and Sinister Six spinoff. Drew Goddard had written a script (did that ever leak, btw?). Then MCU happened.
Thank god. Frick garfield.
>Then MCU happened
Anon the first tasm came out the same year as avengers, mcu was never an issue to tasm continuity until Sony decided to end the series and disney made their deal
I meant the MCU deal happened. Sony was adamant to keep their Spiderverse separate from Marvel Studios. I mean, Amy Pascal threw a sandwich at Feige when he offered to join forces.
btw here's that Silver Sable & Black Cat script that was offered to every A B and C actress in Hollywood, until no one took and it was split apart.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3XlbPG0yiODGusmrxM6HjLdIlSJuWy-/view
why does everyone expect this movie to not just bomb? nobody knows or cares who Kraven is
was Venom actually good?
No
It was borderline okay.
As a movie it was alright, felt like a ripoff of Hulk (2003) at times
As a venom movie frick no, and the sequel was even worse
First would actually be imo good if it had the gore that it needed so desperately
Certified Hardykino
Hardy and Venoms back and forth are the saving grace of both films, not exactly great films outside of that
People went to madame web hoping to see naked sydney and moner. This doesn't have even that.
I wouldn't be able to take any Bond who was in capeshit seriously.
Like every other respected veteran actor did capeshit. What can you do?
I hope it does so we can see more of his body of work, and it is an art.
Honestly no one has ever cared about Kraven, Madame Web or Morbius. Ever. They are C tier side characters. Venom´s had a decent character growth over the past 20 years so i can see how he got some movies but he´s really not that interesting or popular by himself either.
I really like Aaron despite him being a granny fricker so I hope it does well
I'm sorry, but did Madame Web already flop? Oh, that's right. The weekend isn't even over yet. In fact, it's only Thursday. Does not having a record-opening-Thursday count as a flop? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the opening week isn't even over? Madame Web is still premiering right now in most locations and it has had the most presale tickets in February of this year for how many weeks now? It's premiering against one of the worst music-biopics in recent cinema that just happens to be performing well because it's feeding off the energy of opening on a Valentine's day holiday. But you know what? Bob Marley still fricking sucks. Madame Web is one of the best fricking movies in the super hero genre, Sony's spiderverse movies went 13-3 last awards seasons and would have saved the MCU if the Sony execs didn't choke. Maybe you should shut the frick up before you make moronic topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Madame Web is the highest grossing film of the year and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, a screening of Bob Marley just broke out into a brawl with several stabbing victims. Are you a fricking drunk? Are you moronic? Are you autistic? You are a fricking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fricking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Madame Web topics because you're a homosexual hater who doesn't like the movie because its too sexy. Frick you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fricking teams on the board, like I give a frick. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a moron. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fricking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Frick you. You are nothing.
>what if we made an all female-diverse spiderman universe that featured everything except spider-man?
People invested hundreds of billions into this idea
It's insane that we live in a world where the entire film industry revolves around capeshit, yet one media company refuses to develop solo Batman or Superman films and another media company gives every character who's ever interacted with Spider-Man their own feature film. It's the worst of both worlds
> yet one media company refuses to develop solo Batman or Superman films
Superman: Legacy, The Batman Part II, The Brave and the Bold
Yeah, they're finally getting around to it but they had Affleck and Cavill under contract for like a decade and really did nothing with either of them besides the team-up films which weren't focused on either character
I'm not even really complaining since God knows we've had enough capeshit to go around the past few years but solely from an asset management perspective it's just absurd that Ant-Man got 3 solo films and Batfleck got zero.
He looks like he kraves some wiener.
where do they get money for this stuff?
video game division
I hope so