wtf Neil Gaiman you finna get canceled

Basically they swear off sex forever and are acknowledged culturally as men in all roles and actions.

Because

Actually he is right.

The idea that gender is not simply the happenstance way we asign sexual characteristics onto language was entirely invented by John Money.

It's an entirely reverse situation to reality, we asign gender based on sexual characteristics we observe as humans, and we then either anthromorphise them onto inanimate objects or display them on ourselves.

This is why the idea of "Gender" beyond the three states of male, female and neuter are absurd, they make no sense unless you're confusing gender for random assignments.

We assign Gender through observation and action. Most "Third genders" are a coping mechanism when said observation becomes obscured.

What does a primitive society think when a man looks and acts like a woman? Are they a woman? no, are they a man? No. So they must be a third weird concept that does not assign to nature.

This is why "Third Gender" only really shows up in extremely primitive cultures where Men are defined by strict rites of passage and where failure to pass these and instead adopting female mannerisms is seen as weird and otherworldly.

The West long moved past such rigid rites of passage, assuming every man would come of age naturally, and thus the place of men and women was more codified in observation.

This is very basic level anthropology.

Sort of. You have to remember primitive societies were very VERY supersticious.
Freak Storm when the weather as quite clear? Spirits
baby born with a deformation? Spirits
Guy fails to grow up properly and looks weak like a woman? Spirits.

That's what I mean, he basically just agrees with the current thing.

Not really, if there was a resurgence in say, British nationalism he'd be one of the first trotting out how evil the British are and how nasty we were, how we have no culture despite his work reeking of Alistar crowley fanboyism like Moore.

He's just a rich left winger, he hates his country, loves an idealised form of paganism invented for scoring with stoned middle class women and happily lies in that bed with all the Socialists and Anti-British intelligencia.

I truly do hate him and Moore and most of the British comic book writers for being such horrible hateful people in their passive aggresive way.

Do you really think Neil gayman is heterosexual

Anon, why the frick did you ask if you didn't want to hear it?

>no you see I asked a question but don't care because I think your answer is invalid
Anon, you're as thick as a brick and talking to you is like talking to a wall made of them. I didn't actually give a shit and just posted some examples cuz you ask only to hear it doesn't really count because "there's no real third gender bro". moron, just lead with that so I don't have to waste five picoseconds scrounging up some examples. Ffs homie, just say that in the first place.

Don't worry, I was the wrong guy too lol.

I didn't ask and you embarassed yourself by pretending "homosexual in a dress who likes buttsex" was some kind of extra gender, dipshit.

Anon,

Name three cultures before the 20th century.

he did. I was answering a question. I have no stake in any of this. I don't give a shit beyond being mildly annoyed I wasted a google copy-paste on nothing more than "these don't count" next time specrifiy your definitions rather than assume I will read your mind and know what you considered right.

Don't bother trying to understand the so called "language" of these low level chimp motherfrickers.

I mean, yeah, otherwise you'd be the third gender all by yourself

>REEEEEEEEEEEE CENTURIES OLD IDEAS OF BEING TRANS DO NOT EXACTLY MATCH WITH MODERN UNDERSTANDING OF TRANS PEOPLE SO IT DOESN’T COUNT

It’s like saying no medicine existed until the 19th century because the Greeks had funny ideas about how the human body worked so it doesn’t count and medicine only started when we discovered bacteria and need to wash one’s hands

>modern understanding
genetics and biologie state that you will never be a woman, no matter the hormones, no matter the haircut, no matter the meat sculpture in your pants.

Basically what

Every single time someone says a culture has another gender it's always
>homosexual or other slur
>effeminate male
>man who allows himself to receive buttsex
>castrati/eunuch

said. The current trans ideology is something new.

Only in the sense that there's always been despicable deranged lunatics.

If ancient societies didn't have a concept of "trans people", then "trans people" were in fact invented yesterday

It does make a difference because it means the specific interpret of modern times is new

>JC Denton/Russian Chicken.png
Lemme guess it came to you in a dream?

It's bizarre seeing it on official forms nowadays

It's not a custom or a tradition. It's literally made up from the 90s

Which one of those allows for an alternative reproduction process?

>inb4 there are men and women who cannot reproduce
And there are broken clocks that are still clocks.

homie the church cracked down hard on Castrati and tried to stamp out the practice

Not a ton of evidence either way.
The practice did seem to be an entirely Italian thing.

Yes I was laughing

Oh you are the pathetic lout. You can't go a single post without insulting people or using petty buzzwords. Do you have a single independent thought in your head.
A single contradiction to the spew of dogma you have ingested to make you the good little prole?

Let me guess, materialist collectivism is the key to all our woes yes? If we just steal from the rich and give to the poor minorities it will save the world, nevermind those rich seem to be richer the more to try to steal and the poor seem to be coming in from further afield.

Ironic. This entire thread all you have done is call your opposition names without presenting an argument yourself.

All you are saying is "Maybe Gaiman is just a good party member" but you don't quite get it. That is what everyone else is saying too, you just think bowing your head is the good moral thing to do, while we all see is as the political browbeating it was.

You spew insults because you know you're not among your peers of the party.

I mean how exactly do you explain Gaiman defending fans and their adherance to a set style of a comic book character once, and then turning around and saying the complete opposite once a race-swap happens in an era where race-swapping is seen as a moral good?

How is that not an outright perfect example of hypocrisy? How can you say with any reasonable doubt Gaiman has a moral backbone when one time he defended people getting angry at something he himself admonished people for later?

Not him, but he's referring to a post Gaiman made on Twitter basically saying that adaptations should stick to the source material, IIRC he used the example of Batman and how people wouldn't like it if he was adapted as a man in a trench coat with a pet bat because that's not Batman.
Personally, I don't really have standards for western creatives when it comes to them giving a frick about adaptations of their work.
Just look at how Brandon Sanderson let Amazon absolutely fricking butcher Wheel of Time.
Only eastern writers/artists/comic creators really care about how their work is adapted, which is why they tend to be adapted faithfully.

Changing a skin colour in a live action adaptation, when the character isn’t even human and thus their ethnicity means frick all in terms of faithful adaptation (unless you are so superficial all you care is visual skin colour) and changing everything about what Batman is, eg now he is just a guy with a pet bat, are not the same thing.

Oh is this

Not him, but he's referring to a post Gaiman made on Twitter basically saying that adaptations should stick to the source material, IIRC he used the example of Batman and how people wouldn't like it if he was adapted as a man in a trench coat with a pet bat because that's not Batman.
Personally, I don't really have standards for western creatives when it comes to them giving a frick about adaptations of their work.
Just look at how Brandon Sanderson let Amazon absolutely fricking butcher Wheel of Time.
Only eastern writers/artists/comic creators really care about how their work is adapted, which is why they tend to be adapted faithfully.

is? I'm sure you've heard this many times but Death being black is completely meaningless to the character. If the best actor for the role is black so be it. A man in a trench coat with a pet bat is completely different from Batman. A black actress is not different from Death (who btw constantly shifts form) Those statements are not contradictory

I get that but those two things are completely different. If he thought the black actress was the better choice when it came to interpreting the character it so be it. Like

>BAAAAAWWWWWW I can’t jerk off to a Black Death!!

Neil is the author and creator and has the final say. You can even tell he was annoyed and dismayed that certain people just care about Death’s skin colour and act racist about it, because they’re that shallow and superficial even when Death isn’t human and her personality is what matters, not her skin pigment.

Racist buttholes like you have to force yourself to think Neil is pressured to genuflect some imaginary Twitter boogieman because you can’t accept Neil isn’t bigoted and vainly superficial like you are.

said being white is a superficial thing when it comes to her character.

>If he thought the black actress was a better choice

Except she wasn't. Death is supposed to be a charming slightly melancholic figure, both approachable but aloof.

And in the show she is literally just generic London black woman.

And the fun thing about opinions is they can be formed from shit.

Gaiman and the casting team, wanted a token, they then try and justify it with hollow excuses.

Honestly, if it really didn't matter, they could have just made everyone black.
I'm sure Gaiman would have loved it anyways, no matter what they did.

Maybe take your autism out of the equation.

That's not me btw but you sure wish it was huh?

>You're the only one fighting a cultural war.
lolwut?

And the fun thing about opinions is they can be formed from shit.

Gaiman and the casting team, wanted a token, they then try and justify it with hollow excuses.

>They wanted a token because....THEY JUST WANTED ONE OK?!
Just like with the argument that Gaiman doesn't care about LGBT issues and just goes with the flow, you still can't prove that they wanted her because she is black. Hell I can probably find an interview in which he says she was the perfect actress for the role since her personality matches with Death's. Meanwhile, you just have to pretend that an insignificant change like that one is on the same level as completely changing a character so you can prove Gaiman is a hypocrite and prove you're not just upset at public figures caring about minorities

>>Just parrots others
That's because any sane person arrives at the same conclusion. Only pathetic losers like yourself care this much about such a meaningless issue like this to hold a grudge over a writer
they merely state Gaiman was forced to bend the knee from his older viewpoints
>He's also blatantly lying
More headcanon based on nothing

What are you gonna do? File a police report if he does? Better pray he's white if you want it to succeed.

>instead of a jaded wristful gentleman.

Much of that characterisation comes from Lucifer’s own book, not Sandman itself where he’s a very minor character. Also in context to what limited source material the show can use it makes sense to slightly change the character so that Lucifer’s actions works better and make sense in context of the show and how they adapt the material. It for example makes more sense to make the duel directly between Lucifer and Morpheus and thus make the loss spark a personal vendetta precisely because it more organically builds what comes later with the relinquishing of ownership of Hell. These type of considerations have to be taken into account when you adapt things to another medium.

Just because you think being white is important to her character doesn't mean others do, which is pretty obvious based on how most people don't care about the race swap. She literally changes what her body looks like in the book.

>He's not hypocritical... because he's not

Wow what an amazing argument, you even managed to fit in more pointless twitter talking points like calling all who disagree with you racist.

Are you Gaiman himself? You on the prowl to try and find more underage alt girls to frick you disgusting old carrion crow?

>>He's not hypocritical... because he's not
I literally explained how those things are not contradictory. I'm sorry you can't read

Ah yes, do tell me, how would the EU save my sinking ship of a nation? What grand scheme did the EU have that would have saved our declining native population, lack of investment in non-global aligned businesses and the wave after wave of malicious greedy Migrant-beggers?

Ah yes, so you indeed have no argument as to how the EU was supposedly the Lynchpin and why being within the EU would have stopped the decline of my nation.
You are a twisted person, bent by hatred of your own people due to your materialist mindset, you cannot even comprehend of the idea of people wishing freedom over false security.
I don't care if the GDP number drops, it's a false measurement that tries to make my country that has stagnated and rotted for decades sound like we have some wealth.

You "Pity" me because you don't understand me, you don't understand anything outside of consuming material and you are repulsed and terrified by what you don't understand.

I want my country and culture to endure, not as a slideshow for foreigners to gawk at, but for something to live. I want to keep walking the green fields and hills of the countryside, I want to remain English.

Not him but where are you from?

I asked where you were from.

kek you keep going
>I do wonder if you ever thought the EU could benefit from Brexit?
From the moment the UK left the EU they lost all of the benefits they used to have. Why would the EU keep selling it for the old price? Typical brexiter wanting his country out but still having all of the benefits.

>All the Africans and Albanians would have come to the UK regardless
Wow so the whole "claim back control over our borders" thing was a lie? At least you can admit it.

>unscientific
This doens't really shock me coming from a Brexit but please tell me: How is agriculture supposed to survive if you make it completely unsustainable and focus purely on the short-term gains?

>Not in theory, merely in practice
Boy you're gonna be saying that a lot when it comes to Brexit

>Because somehow we've been doing it for thousands of years
Not at this rate lol. The issue with the current state of affairs is that shit has been taken to 11 and it has become unsustainable. Do you think people in the 1600s polluted as much as we do now?

>Let the Indians have as many methane farting cattle as they want
India isn't a member of the EU, of course they still want them to reduce emissions, just like with China, this has been made clear in plenty of summits and the Paris agreements, but the EU doesn't have the same power over them as with the Netherlands.

>If my country was even an inch more hardline Brexit than it is now all your supposed issues would be solved by internal markets
Ah yes true Brexit hasn't been tested yet Kek

You're not even bothering to tackle any of my points and have basically been reduced to saying "But country also has problems". Honestly I've proved what I had to prove and even you've agreed that Brexit didn't solve any of the issues it set out to "solve". I accept your concession. Be seeing you

Not him, but you do know Germany literally had brown outs throughout last year, and had to go back on like dozens of enviromental promises because they cannot generate their own power due to reliance on imports right?

Or France is only held up due to Nuclear generators that Macron campaigned against and that the EU were adamantly against

Or Ireland is basically facing every single issue the UK is having and the EU has done literally frick all to help it.

What a unique perspective, you can't even form an argument so you resort to utterly tired and toothless insults.

Don't call people mentally unwell when you screech like a banshee if people mislabel you pudding.

Uphill battle, same as it was for cigarettes

It's amazing how castration peddler projects their lack of consideration about others, like the children he wants to be "treated" by his medical corporate masters.
You are tipping your hand by being demonstrably upset about giving trans people right to sue.

>suggesting diabetes is even remotely comparable to "gender affirming care"
Yikes

There's no such thing as "gender affirming care". Coddling psychopathic schizophrenic narcissists is not "affirming care".

All the shit they’re doing is short term, the gain I mean. It’s like the monopolist that wonders why the market stagnates. In the end they can’t control the economy only guide it. And when it bites back everything will fall. It’s happened before. 2008 was the first sign and they only barely made it away from it. Now something bigger is on the horizon and when it hits they’ll most likely lose their heads along with their shirts.

That’s true but ask yourself, what happens when people don’t want to? Fiat currency only has value because we as a society collectively say it does. Ultimately it’s just paper it has no intrinsic value, it isn’t scarce and requires little effort to replicate. What happens when even the physical aspect is taken away? China should not be held as an example either since they are, to put it bluntly moronic. A nation of slaves that will bow to pretty much anyone that takes the leash and chokes them with it.

But you wouldn't recommend an uninformed teenager learn history by debating people on /misc/. Flat Earth is Obviously stupid, but there's also stupid things that might sound convincing when you don't have full knowledge. And debating someone trying to recruit you isn't always the best way to gain more knowledge. It's easy for a cult leader to take advantage of naive people with persuasive sounding but wrong arguments, or overloading them with "facts" that they can't readily refute. That post about not debating cultists is actually good advice for protecting kids from getting taken advantage of, it's just basic street smarts.