I just found out about this. And I have no confidence it will be either as good or as balanced as the first one. If anything, it may be as empty and hamfisted as Mass Effect 3 was, but with livelier characters and some semblance of actual emotion. As based as Byron Howard seemed to be back then, I don't think he could protect the sequel, even if he hasn't gone full Stephen-King-on-Twitter/X.
My opinion, since they saved Zootopia and didn't leave any clear directions to go, the best thing they could have done was to do a 3D animated series like Dragons: Riders of Berk or kung fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness, but do it as a somewhat lighthearted police procedural with some occasional intense moments, similar to Psych, Monk, or The Mentalist. The latter being a good fit for the characters, since Judy and Nick most closely resemble Teresa Lisbon and Patrick Jane in personality and inter-dynamics. That would give the shipgays, like myself, something the obsess over while providing quality stories in a sensible way and allowing us to explore more of this world they spent so much effort developing.
She will be Finnicked
>help they told us we couldnt talk about hillary clinton so we accidentally made a movie about race relations sort of and it was way too succesful and now they want a sequel
>the movie
>the pride month short
>the sequel
Im really looking forward to watching Disney mess this up. Ill put 500$ on there being a Malcolm X pun.
Also Kung Fu Panda should have ended after 3 and rebooted Legends of Awesomeness except with an overarching story.
>Ill put 500$ on there being a Malcolm X pun.
He'd probably start making a reference to ~~*Rodents*~~ before being darted and carted/tranq'ed and yanked.
>Also Kung Fu Panda should have ended after 3 and rebooted Legends of Awesomeness except with an overarching story.
They really just need to make more, regardless of format, but your idea sounds really sensible. They also need to make Po a bit more mature, so that he isn't so far behind Tigress, who's the only truly close friend he has, even if they don't become an item.
2 felt too much like "Legends of Awesomeness: The Movie," once I rewatched it. Haven't done the same to 3, though, so I don't know how it holds up. I just remember seeing Tigress become way more mature and Po not really getting it.
1 was a very solid foundational movie. 2 had a lot going for it but a lot of the stuff that should have been in the movie regarding Shens backstory was cut for (reasons) and the plot felt a bit rushed. 3 was good in some aspects but fell flat in my eyes as the villain was uninteresting. If they had done what pretty much no series had done before and just rebooted the show, gave it better animation (3s models were beautiful) and played off the admittedly solid character development you could have had a great story with a good ambigous ending when the show would inevitably run out of steam.
My issues with 2 were with both the writing and production. They both felt like some of what I had seen of the show, more than a direct continuation of the writing and production style and values of the first movie. I mean, it was still very good, but definitely a bit "cheaper" than it's predecessor.
IMO Kung Fu Panda 2 looked better than 1 even if the colors were a tinge more faded (as they were in the show). Shens design is nothing sort of genius to me, and his theme along with a couple of more bold choices regarding style (the sky turns blood red when the scene focuses on him) actually made him appear really cool. Even regarding everything else there were things done in KFP2 that hadnt really been done before in big animated movies visually. As for the writing there were several things that were planned to be included but never were, and that along with choppy dialogue and unfunny jokes made it feel rushed and contrived.
I'd have to rewatch it, but some of the visuals in the first chase sequence that felt a little cheap, but it was mainly the animation and sequences, especially the beginning chase. Not as bad as the "high-octane escape sequence" by Jack Sparrow from the King's palace in the beginning of Pirates 4, but still kinda contrived.
The animation on general felt like a bigger budget version of the show's style: a little stilted and with a sort of "frame stutter" thing going on that you don't see in big budget animated feature films.
But, I agree with the pluses you brought up. Shen was very artistically well-thought out, for sure. And Gary did a good job voicing him.
Agreed. With 10 extra minutes it would have been very good.
I have no faith in this for two reasons:
1. No Rich Moore, he's at Skydance.
2. Ralph Breaks The Internet.
I reserve the right to enjoy the porn that will follow, though.
Aren't those two points moot? I get Rich did a lot in salvaging the project before it became too much of a wreck, but he did the Ralph sequel and Howard had nothing to do with it. So, I'm not sure that will have a big effect on this. But, not being able to find someone to balance out Howard's vision and that BlackRock and Vanguard, et al. seem keen on tanking every big company they've invested in means it'll be hard for this one to make its way to the theaters unscathed. I have some confidence it'll be better than Seeing Red was.
>but he did the Ralph sequel
He did, but I recall hearing rumors that corporate and management interference he had to deal with on Ralph Breaks The Internet was the thing that drove him away. That's the thing that I'm concerned with, not necessarily Rich Moore himself. With each Disney failure, we're finally hearing more and more from employees about their appalling work atmosphere, the activist-driven Re-imagine Tomorrow HR program that has led to brain drain, and even an admission by Disney itself that ideology at the company is ruining their movies. They can't change this stuff overnight, if ever. Wreck it Ralph was a movie I loved, and the sequel ruined it. I love Zootopia as well, so I'm not going to let that happen again.
>Blackrock and Vanguard guyz
take your meds
>please ignore the corporate hellscape that brought you ralph breaks the internet
2 hours of on-screen yiffing thus breaking box-office records and saving Disney.
>2 hours of on-screen yiffing thus breaking box-office records and saving Disney.
The first movie had Nick and Judy visit a nudist colony and watch naked animals perform nude yoga so honestly this is the only way to go from here.
$20,000 per frame.
Pig officer will be mandatory
Best case scenario they find a lizard/bird civilization and it's just racism again. Worst case scenario it's a anti-police movie.
Both of those sound bad to me, personally. And I think it could still get worse, especially in light of Turning Red and what the rumors seem to be saying about Inside Out 2.
Yeah, that makes more sense. And that's basically what I was basing my concern off: the corporate culture and pressures.
>so I'm not going to let that happen again.
I wish you luck. I actually worked myself into the ground, a good few years back, trying to develop my idea for the show that I described in the OP into reality. Now, I'm trying to learn to let go of unhealthy ambitions like that, so I don't destroy my health again. This thread is, I think, helping with that.
So, anything you can do, even just word of mouth stuff, would be cool. Sorry about RiR2, though. I'm sure that was rough.
The only way they could mess it up worse than Zootopian History: X is by taking the confidence from Turning Red and making it about female reproduction and abortion.
Frick thatd what theyre gonna do isnt it. The last movie was a shitty plot about race and now its conceiving a half breed.
No matter how you slice it, Zootopia's sequel is bound to be political agenda shit.
And the first movie was also the same agenda shit. The difference is that idiots love talking animals so they thought it was a harmless movie especially since Disney's brand was trusted much more during the release of Zootopia. Not a surprise it made a billion. But you know what? I don't see anyone discussing this shitty boring agenda fueled movie at all. Zootopia is like Cameron's Avatar it made profit but left no impact. The only freaks who aren't agenda spammers who care about Zootopia are furries. This movie left no impact the way Puss in Boots Last Wish actually made waves with excellent word of mouth helping it become more successful.
Enough said, may Zootopia 2 be a hideous failure. Same to every single thing Disney is going to release especially Frozen.
>Zootopian History: X
Lol, nice. Now I'm wondering who would be doing the curb stomp.
>Frick that's what they're gonna do isn't it?
Maybe not, since the setting plays more into the greater "identity politics" thing and social activism. So, they'd have a hundred different things they could contrive analogs for. But, who knows what they'd wind up picking.
>now its conceiving a half breed.
Only half-breed I care about seeing conceived is Nick and Judy's offspring. Jason Bateman seems to be onboard, with his "I want to see them procreate" response in an interview. Lol
>The last movie was a shitty plot about race
>And the first movie was also the same agenda shit.
I disagree. It was easily one of the most politically balanced (big) movies of the 2010s. Most of its moralizing was pretty middle-of-the-road stuff you'd find in virtually every pre-woke, pre-SJW children's book that had any kind of interpersonal or group conflict. By contrast, it had a lot of anti-feminism throughout, like setting Judy up to be a symbol of Girl Power and then quickly, thoroughly, and repeatedly taking her down a ton of pegs, making her even ultimately having to rely on everything she thought she could overcome. Plus, making Nick a sympathetic victim/survivor of repeat harassment and discrimination, despite being a male. Oh,
and the *little* point of making the villain a female-supremacist, since the predator/prey paradigm is also used as a sex/gender analog, as well as a race one.
>but left no impact
Definitely has more fanmade content than Avatar, at least.
Thats what Im saying. Its going to be about Judy and Nick making a monstrosity and reproductive politics. Disney tested the waters with Up and Turning Red and by the time Z2 comes out this will be their next big jump and theyll probably try to ride the controversy for profit.
Ahh, I see, now. Dammit, that might happen.
>Up
I was thinking you were crazy for a second, but you're meaning that they were using the infertility plot point as a small stepping stone towards actually subversive plot points in Disney movies?
Yes. To reinforce, when Up came out that sort of thing was unheard of, even in passing.
Personally, I think it was fine, as in I don't think it was offensive or bad in and of itself; one of the few times I'd say you could legitimately call it "brave" to include in a family movie. But, I do agree that it's very likely they used it as "legal precedence" to move the needle forward.
>Boxes and Funnies
I'm thinkin' Arby's
i like the idea with the police procedural series.
very low likelihood of Z2 not sucking.