Death Battle

More about scaling potential

There were Raptor Men in Swat Kats?

DB uses the characters at their strongest.
Frieza won.
Put two and two together.

Not needed. Frieza destroys any version of Metatron without even going gold.

Not him but they didn't even use mid Megatrons like Unicron Trilogy or Marvel G1, which is stupid because if they were using Frieza Black he would have won anyways, so it comes off as coddling Frieza for no reason.

They only used Xeno Trunks because they were specifically utilizing Archie Silver.

Metatroons are simply upset

Well even there I've seen people claim DBH can't be used because it isn't 'canon'. But DBH already composites everything (the 'real world' has all DB continuities as fiction and DBH is comprised of all continuities) which includes the DBS manga (See Goku using Hakai) and the only thing it lacks for Freeza is his Black form (which isn't relevant because it's borderline featless).

DBH has used DBS manga shit before. Goku uses Hakai in a reference to the Black Saga. They just haven't done shit for Moro onwards, which is irrelevant to Freeza because the only thing he does is get an unknown power increase and a form we know nothing about and one shot UI Goku and UE Vegeta.

Essentially it's pointless. DBH already composites Pre-Moro manga, the Toei anime, all the games and all that shit. So just do composite DBH Freeza.

>Freeza scales above infinite timeline busters and immeasurable speed.
Megatron can scale to that even without Alternity.

We're talking about Alternity right now. So I don't care about the other versions of himself that he could kill.

>DBH characters passively warp infinite timelines and risk destruction of said infinite timelines
People like Frieza? Or big bossman OC with time altering reality warping powers? How does Ki affect timelines exactly? Always rubbed me wrong how people scaled Heroes and Xenoverse. He's so strong his Ki warps timelines? That's what Ki does now? Yikes

Xeno Goku was forbidden from going Super Saiyan 4 because it risks the destruction of all timelines, this was much earlier in the DBH storyline. Golden Freeza scales to Golden Metal Cooler who fricked up Super Saiyan 3 Cumber. Super Saiyan 3 Cumber scales above SS4 Xeno Vegito.

So yes, Freeza can destroy infinite timelines with Golden. Xeno Goku has no inherent abilities that would let him do it and not Freeza.

How the frick could Heroes Trunks not beat Archie Silver then? Sounds like that match was fraud.

They claim the Archie cosmology transcends the Heroes cosmology.

He's talking about heroes, which doesn't have regular scaling. Even Dr. Wheelo In heroes is above SS4.

SSJ4 is THAT good
Bluetrannies BTFO

SS4 lost 2 times to CC Goku.

Xeno Fraudku proved that Jiren and Goku are beyond ANY thing in Heroes.

Xenoku jobbed twice to CC Goku. The score is 2-0. Xenoku lost.

>Xeno Goku
One shotted.

>GTard cope
KEKAROOOOO!!! Grand Taco lost and is going to get rebooted by Super.

>SS4 weaker than Z Vegito
HUH??? Speak up b***h!!

>kanzenshuu
>chinese
The absolute state of Grand Taco gays.

>OPUSper
Grand Taco lost. Weaker than Z Vegito.

>unironic Grand Pedo
FUNNYROOO!!

>no you
Grand Tacos everyone!!

>m-m-mindbreak
KWAB!!!

>homosexual fantasies out of nowhere
You like Grand Taco.

>Grand Taco Hispanic can't read
KEKAROOOO!!!

To be fair he stood no chance even as SSG

Non-xeno Goku (and Jiren) as they appear in heroes ARE heroes characters though. Your logic makes no sense.

Eat my ass, XenoBlack person, Jiren and Goku are king. Your Limit Break SSJ4 isn't even Sign tier.

Reminder, Jiren is the strongest.

>jiren the gay
Fodder before XENOku.

Jiren's weaker then the Street Sharks.

I'm sorry, when has Jiren ever swam through solid concrete? Sharks win.

Rocks aren't concrete, Jirenposter. And it's clearly not air to him, as they're still rocks until they explode.

>WEAKren the gay starts coping
XENOku solos.

moronic mongoloid. They are all Heroes characters.

>Your Limit Break SSJ4 isn't even Sign tier.
We know for a fact that it is from the latest episode of SDBH, CC Goku has to power up to MUI in order to win against it.
Also it's called SFPS4LB.

Dumbass.
Watch the show.
Read the manga.
The latest arc ended with CC Goku asking Aeos to make a new tournament so he can properly fight Xeno Goku, who he promised to fight at the beginning of the arc.

UI Sign is an equal match for SFPS4LB and CC Goku has no choice but to ascend to MUI in order to win.

You said Xeno "isn't even Sign tier".
I didn't say Xeno was MUI tier.
I said it was Sign tier and I am right about that.
You were wrong about Sign being above Xeno.

Then why jump in?
I only brought up MUI as CC Goku's only wincon against Xeno Goku.
I didn't even imply Xeno Goku was on par with CC MUI, let alone stronger.

You thought wrong.

Explain.

So you have zilch to tell me Goku going SSJ4 will blow up "infinite timelines" by virtue of existing, just as I suspected. Phrase things more accurately in the future

I'm still waiting for scans of "Goku, don't go SS4 or infinite timelines will collapse instantly as a side effect"

You didn't substantiate your claim, so I don't have to pretend anything. The Earth's rotation can distort linear time, a black hole's event horizon can distort time, I need a little more than "I dunno what'll happen to time waku waku" only for fricking nothing to happen when he fights two guys on his level. Be straight up with me, are you taking all this from a respect thread or vs wiki?
This is a problem I see all the time with Xeno, Heroes, whatever the frick.
>Goku fought this guy who could warp the multiverse
But I never see the multiversal reality warping, which isn't the same as Ki blasts, being used against Goku
>Goku fought this dude who was collapsing space and time along the multiverse
But if Goku was just as strong as him why wasn't HE collapsing space and time along the multiverse? It rather sounds like an esoteric property of the other dude!

UI Goku > LBSS4 Goku = UIS Goku > Golden Freeza = Golden Metal Cooler >> SS3 Cumber >> SSB X20 Vegito >> Xeno SS4 Vegito >>>> SSB Goku > Xeno SS4 Goku = Mira w/ Tokitoki absorbed = Infinite timelines

>You didn't [HEADCANON]
I'm taking from the story itself. You are ignoring what the person who observes and protects all of time believes and ignoring the power that Mira is because you simply don't want to understand or accept the context.
>But if Goku was just as strong as him why wasn't HE collapsing space and time along the multiverse?
Why doesn't every multiversal character collapse the multiverse by fighting?

>You're talking about something that visibly didn't happen.
This is equivalent to asking me why the entire story didn't just end from existence collapsing. The reason it didn't happen is because Chronoa and Goku had no idea if he could control his own power. Mira and Broly already showed that they can do so.
>Goku is supposed to be strong enough to collapse every timeline all at once as a side effect of powering up,
If he fails to control it, yes. They believed he risked time itself by using Super Saiyan 4 because they didn't know if he could control it or not like his opponents.
>why is it considered significant when some douchebag merges with the timelines?
Because in the context of Heroes, Time is a literal power source referred to as 'Time Power' which they use to increase their own power to insane levels. Absorbing the source of all Time Power directly correlates with the user's own power. Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time, is a master of Time Power. Aeos, the former Supreme Kai of Time, also utilises Time Power to completely control time and can even erase all timelines but lost to UIS Goku.
>but Goku himself doesn't collapse spacetime along the entire multiverse as a side effect of being so strong you expect me not to raise an eyebrow?
Again, it was a matter of whether Goku could prevent his own power from doing so. Again, like his opponents who already demonstrated they have mastery over their own power. And, again, this would bring into question every single multiversal character to ever exist.

Either Goku threatens infinite timelines (via the god of time's word and matching the guy with the power of infinite timelines) and controlled that power or nearly every single multiversal character in fiction isn't multiversal via your own logic. Because every single one of them would destroy their own setting.

>It's hilarious that your knee jerk reaction to "We don't know what kind of impact this will have" is to immediately assume he meant "If I botch this the infinite multiverse will collapse as a side effect"
Shit Anon I don't know maybe that's because he's fighting someone embodying all of time and because the person who monitors all of time fears it?
>But if it's "time power" they use to do all this bullshit then I'm not about to scale the temporal reality warping to basic b***h ki blasts and punches.
They use Time Power for their attacks. Attacks which they regularly overpower. Before you ask, no Goku can't use Time Power. Time Energy is only used by time manipulators like Hit, Demigra, Mira, Mechikabura, Chronoa and Aeos.

For further context, Ki is just the energy of existence itself. It draws power from damn near everything. Time Energy is just one manifestation of ki like God Ki. There are also other forms of energy in DBH like Evil Ki which has its own powers and pertains to demons (who regularly compete with Time Power-wielders)
>Stop making shit up.
b***h you have consistently just dismissed basic fricking context. Don't speak.
>nd they usually walk the walk and have to be stopped by others, or stop themselves.
And as I said the threat was whether Goku could control himself (stop himself) from fricking up time.
>Stop being bullheaded.
You are arguing about a series you know nothing about trying to ignore basic context using moronic argumentation to try and 'debunk' something stated by the authority of time in the context of them fighting beings with power over all time.

What I find funny here is you talking about a series you don't know anything about and resorting to childish insults.

>Goku isn't powerful enough to blow up an infinite multiverse by powering up
He matches the power of a guy with the power of an infinite multiverse and powering up makes Chronoa afraid.
>If you botch it you'll destroy infinite timelines"
Given the mere clashes of Goku and Beerus threatened the macrocosm and required Goku to cancel out the destruction I'm inclined to say that on an infinitely greater scale would threaten an infinite multiverse.
>I sure hope these "attacks" turn you into different versions of the character, or collapse timelines around you, or what have you. Because if it's just Ki that also lets you tamper with time then that doesn't cut it for me.
No. They can use it like normal Ki to explode shit. Goku overpowers them. This even exists in canon. Hit uses Time power to create an energy sphere of condensed time and Jiren overpowers it.

Using Time Power as a source of energy in energy attacks is a thing in Heroes and canon alike and has been overpowered by Goku and co.
>This isn't getting into the fact that timelines have no durability.
Oh there we go. You just ruined it for yourself. Alright, no need to continue this then.

I like that moro presented a new threat with hax rather than being another straight power-up guy

Megatron can simply have his other selves snipe him across reality, especially since he can just make a couple auto-avatars rather than a shit ton.
Especially since Frieza wouldn't even be able to target him at all.

>Freeza scales above infinite timeline busters and immeasurable speed.
Megatron can scale to that even without Alternity.

DB downplays DBZ becuase it's popular

>10x Ego boost despite the boost it gives never being stated
>X10 homiebillion times universal cause multipliers and muh waves
>“““downplay”””

Archie Super Forms are invincible, you can't hurt them.
Archie Silver is acasual and can remove Trunks' acasuality.

>nlf
This is why nobody takes sonicucks seriously

Archie Super Forms are just bullshit, that's why they put Wally West up against Sonic, he's somehow even more bullshit.

Sounds to me like Goku would punch Super Sonic into golden dust.

>NFL
moron, Death Battle was wanking archie Sonic so hard and even then he lost, then they applied the same stats to Silver who never even achieved the Super form and downplayed Heroes.

Heroe's Trunks sword is literally created to frick with acasual stuff and seal stuff that can't be killed.
There's literally no reason Trunks lost that match other than Archie Sonic oldgays still having too much pull in online communities despite being an ever shrinking minority.

>DBH characters passively warp infinite timelines and risk destruction of said infinite timelines
People like Frieza? Or big bossman OC with time altering reality warping powers? How does Ki affect timelines exactly? Always rubbed me wrong how people scaled Heroes and Xenoverse. He's so strong his Ki warps timelines? That's what Ki does now? Yikes

they did use the strongest Godzilla at the time with Marvel Godzilla

>waku waku
N'CHA!

>JIRENJIRENJIRENJIRENJIRENJIREN
Mindbroken.

>he didn't understand the point of my post
Grand Paco.

>admits that he can't read
KWAB!

>"muh headcanon"
Keep crying.

>Grand Taco babble

>Grand Taco Hispanic is projecting
Kek.

>he FLED
KWAB!

I would know, anon.

>please watch my moeshit
No.

>admits that Ultraman is moeshit and that CHADgon CHAD took inspiration from wuxia and JTTW
Easy.

Remind me, where in Journey to the West have a little girl using an Eyeslugger and Emerium Beam (placing two fingers on either side of her head gem to fire a beam) from Ultraseven, to take out a kaiju?

Cope. This is such cope. You're literally seething. >JIREN'S INSPIRED BY THE GRAY ALIENS
No. He's gray and red. Ultraman's silver and red.

>The DBS anime predates the DBS manga.
Then why are they using manga only characters?! Black Freeza isn't in the anime.

>slave to tournament rules
jirensissy lmao

>forgotten
>Ultraman Blazar, 2023-2024
>Ultraman Netflix movie
>ULTRAMAN manga still going
>ULTRAMAN Manga inspired anime still going
>Ultraman and Ultraseven officially appearing at Comic-con
Yep. Forgotten.

One Piece bros...Naruto bros...Ultraman bros...Gundam bros...Kamen Rider bros...Super Sentai bros...Anpanmanbros...Pretty Cure bros...What the FRICK have we been doing?

Kek. Those are forcasts. We will see when the real results come out.

>lacks reading comprehension

>he still cannot read
Kek.

>"please stop bullying me"
Little RAT!!

>constant parroting
All you got?

>"I am moronic"
I know that you are.

>s-s-schizo

>c-c-cope
Kek.

>c-c-coping

>s-s-s-sad
Kek.

>l-l-l-lol
KWAB!!

>l-l-l-lmao
Kekaroo.

>r-r-r-roflmao
KEKAPEKA!

>H-H-H-HOLY
KEAROOONY!!

>-h-h-haha

>c-c-concession

>m-m-m-mutt

>b-b-b-barn

[...]
Jobber b***h.

>b-b-bitch

>b-b-b-barn

Jobber b***h.

One Piece bros...Naruto bros...Ultraman bros...Gundam bros...Kamen Rider bros...Super Sentai bros...Anpanmanbros...Pretty Cure bros...What the FRICK have we been doing?

Gee, it's almost like... Ultraman's mother company, Tsuburaya productions, is recovering from some sort of... Taiwanese attempt to claim ownership of their series, preventing it from becoming world wide famous. Some company called...I dunno, Chaiyo or something. And that this trial went on since 1974.
Like, maybe the trial even got solved in 2018.

Yeah, cause that money is being used to fricking repair the damage Chaiyo caused with their lawsuits. Whole thing was a clusterfrick. Now everything Chaiyo made is legally owned by Tsuburaya and their company owner died.

>Dragon Ball going the route of continuity VOMIT like Cinemaphile properties
Good god that sounds awful. At least give us some stories about lesser used characters in exchange.

Well you see, transformers has a 11-D multiverse and dragon ball is 5-D at best so

Only 11D and 5D? Pathetic. my D is 16.

>Cosplayer who predominantly dresses as LITERALLY every Saiyan Mutt
You lost.

Didn't he also cosplay as Green Lantern?

>no anon, the random costumed man you met on the street in NYC to take a picture in with and immediately asked for a tip was not Ultraman

Excuse me while I enjoy shaking hands with Ultraman OFFICIALLY at New York Comic Con while this is the only representation Jiren gets at said event.

>Dragon Ball going the route of continuity VOMIT like Cinemaphile properties
Good god that sounds awful. At least give us some stories about lesser used characters in exchange.

[...]
Only 11D and 5D? Pathetic. my D is 16.

>he wants Dragon Ball to go capeshit
Yes, unironically yes. Frick Shueisha and that fat frick CEO. They just want to leech the money Dragon Ball brings while doing nothing. Toei literally wanted to make a new Dragon Ball after the Broly movie but Shueisha said no. Frick them. Seeing that Iyoku is on stage, he probably managed to snag the anime rights. More specials/movies and anime on the way. Frick Shueisha.

That is what Iyoku and CCT want to do. Hell, if the leaks are true. Magic will literally have Goku explore universes and possibly demon realm. I would rather that Dragon Ball dies by oversaturation in 20 years, than to be dripfed by Shueisha for 50.

2 more days. We will see what will be announced. The main topic is the future of Dragon Ball.

Nah, it is Iyoku. That was revealed a few days ago. Probably a offical introduction to Capsule Corp Tokyo.

Am I too greedy to ask for Xenoverse 3, Budokai Tenkaichi 4, the next manga arc, DB Magic and some teasers for CCT projects all from this one panel?

ZenO can only affect the universes he's part of, not the entire timeline. He can't even travel to a different timeline on his own. Ergo, he isn't a reak 5D character.

I said he doesn't scale to 5D. There is just 'some' argument for him with Angels claiming he can destroy everything on a whim. Which can be extrapolated to include the potentially 5D cosmology.

With Super Shenron I believe the argument is far stronger because the Grand Priest claims Super Shenron can grant any wish and even the Zenos have backed that claim. And I doubt the literal highest beings of the timeline are ignorant of how their own cosmology functions.

>everything Chaiyo made is owned by Tsuburaya
>Hanuman
>Hanuman was the inspiration of Son WuKong
>Son Wukong inspired Son Goku
Goku is literally owned by Ultraman. Lmfao

>Hanuman was the inspiration of Son WuKong
This is speculative, to say the least.

>Zeno's palace is outside time and space.
Then how come there's one ZenO for each timeline?!

Sure, but if he lives outside of space and time, why is there one of them for each timeline?

I was actually mistaken on the first part. He is a part of the timeline, but his palace/realm is only accessible for angels. It cannot be reached by others(as of now).

Unironically there is an argument that the DB cosmology is 5D with a higher time axis that manages the timelines. Which would explain why Zeno's realm (which is outside of spacetime along with other shit like the World of Void and Neutral Space between universes) is effected by timelines.

And nah I'm not trying to wank DB by claiming that. No character scales to that argument besides maybe Super Shenron and maybe some argument for Zeno.

that makes no sense!!! they need water to survive!!!

Yeah I wonder. What does that mean? 'Cumulative' means nothing on its own. It even says right there that they build up power by devouring fruits using a planet's energy. 'Cumulative'.

So where is the proof that Momoshiki has accumulated that many worlds? What statements are there? Give me numbers. There are trillions of planets in our galaxy alone.

>But base Momoshiki can be jacked to universal,
Okay...so how many planets has he actually ate?
>and then he ate his father's DNA to gain his power
You mean Kinshiki? Okay. How many planets did HE eat?

Death Battle isn't going to just hand them every planet in the universe for no reason and from what I can tell it'd take Momoshiki billions of years at least to devour each planet in a galaxy. Let alone a universe. You gotta substantiate it with numbers.

>so how many planets has he actually ate?
He's literally introduced eating one.

Would be nice to get the models ripped from the movie itself. Maybe BT4 will have them.

>Trying?
Yes? You're trying to use his planet eating to make him universal yet you don't substantiate anything to indicate he's eaten that many planets. Where is the universal feat? Where are the statements that he ate a universe's worth of planets? (Which wouldn't even make him universal to begin with)
>He made his dimension.
No he didn't.

>narutard lies