he sad bad characters, hes one of the most loved GL's you tard.
Beloved by who? The people who only watched the awful DCAU cartoon and never picked up a GL comic? John Stewart is a supporting character pushed for the sake of his skin color.
>Awful DCAU cartoon
Back to your shitty comics, grognard. Don't you have to buy another re-re-reboot?
>Excerpts from the Justice League Panel at the 2001 San Diego Comic Con: >Bruce Timm: He’s the most controversial character so far from what we’ve been gathering on the Internet. When the show’s lineup was first announced, there were a lot of people saying, “Why aren’t they using Hal Jordan? No, it’s got to be Guy Gardner. No, it’s got to be Kyle Rayner.” Obviously, we picked the wrong one, but the reason we did choose John Stewart are various—I think they’re all valid. Right off the bat, I’ll just say it: you know we did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League. We felt that the show is going to be seen worldwide and I think having a member of the Justice League who is not just “Mr. White Bread” is a good thing.
lol
Hal Jordan is mister White Bread and Kyle's niche was already filled by Wally. Jon being a soldier and a proper "disciplined" hero was a good choice for several arcs.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Jon being a soldier and a proper "disciplined" hero was a good choice for several arcs.
John was stoic hardass in a team with other stoic hardasses. You know things are dire when his only story is a forced romance with another soldier character that tramples source material.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Other stoic hardasses
Only Wonder Woman. Batman was a Lone Wolf and superman only became a hard ass when Darkseid was involved.
>Forced romance
The only confirmed main romance in the main roster and the only one allowed to develop in any way because it did its own thing. If you care so much about sticking to the "source material", just go read that. The DCAU is clearly its own continuity and people b***hing about source materials don't get that things change when adapted to new mediums. Literal autists.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Only Wonder Woman.
And Batman.
And Martian Manhunter. >The DCAU is clearly its own continuity
And? That doesn't spare it for its dogshit takes on John and Hawkgirl or the fact that the romance was dogshit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Whatever the frick you say, anon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You know what I don't understand is why John/Guy team ups aren't the default condition for them. Straightlaced soldier and loose cannon cop is the stuff classic buddy cop adventures are made of
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think most comic writers even remember all the GLs. There's like 7 now? Counting the gun guy and the new girl GL?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think most comic writers even remember all the GLs
They're going to have to acknowledge Jessica Cruz because of that dumb supergirl cartoon despite the fact that her comic was a massive bomb.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Counting the gun guy and the new girl GL?
Which one? There's three girl GLs now; Jessica Cruz, Big Booty Lesbian, and the Bendis baby.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think most comic writers even remember all the GLs
They're going to have to acknowledge Jessica Cruz because of that dumb supergirl cartoon despite the fact that her comic was a massive bomb.
Wait, which one is the black lady with the stupid anime pompadour haircut?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Jo Mullein, she sits on Hal Jordan's face.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She's got a great body and face bit I fricking hate these meme black girl hairstyles. That looks like poop on her head.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Hal Jordan >Guy Gardner >John Stewart >Kyle Rayner >Simon Baz >Jessica Cruz >Jo Mullein >Keli Quintela >Tai Pham
So that's 9. Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once. Of course that's not counting Alan, Jade (who had a ring at some point), or temporary characters like that Russian chick.
Everyone forgot about the Bendis lantern.
>Hal Jordan >Guy Gardner >John Stewart >Kyle Rayner >Simon Baz >Jessica Cruz >Jo Mullein >Keli Quintela >Tai Pham
So that's 9. Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once. Of course that's not counting Alan, Jade (who had a ring at some point), or temporary characters like that Russian chick.
Baz >>Tai Pham
Same with them.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Tai was just for a young adult book but DC seems to have plans for him, at least to some degree.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>but DC seems to have plans for him, at least to some degree.
A shitty miniseries that will sell like shit, but redditors will love it because the main writer and artist will be PeeOhCees and it one a meaningless award. You know, like Far Sector.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Hal Jordan >Guy Gardner >John Stewart >Kyle Rayner >Simon Baz >Jessica Cruz >Jo Mullein >Keli Quintela >Tai Pham
So that's 9. Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once. Of course that's not counting Alan, Jade (who had a ring at some point), or temporary characters like that Russian chick.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Let's just tally up the "full time GLs" for now.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once.
When did that happen?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>There's like 7 now? >Alan (unrelated but related) >Hal >John >Guy >Kyle >Baz >Jessica
Killiwog (bumming it on Earth with Hal) >The black chick with the trench coat >The little girl with the pirate GL ring/battery >The Chinese kid who might be an OGN only character IDK
And that's just the human/Earth Green lanterns
5 months ago
Anonymous
If you're listing Alan you might as well list Jade.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit, you're a genius!
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Kyle's niche was already filled by Wally.
Neither Kyle or Wally are careless jokesters who are full of themselves.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, they aren't. They are lovable goofs that are surprisingly competent and effective when push comes to shove. What are you even talking about, anon?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Kyle isn't a lovable goof, he's a depressed frick up.
Say what you will at least Miles has two successful movies and a pretty damn successful spin off game despite consistantly dogshit comics which is more than Cap Marvel has
>Say what you will at least Miles has two successful movies and a pretty damn successful spin off game
Miles spin-off game only sold about a third of what Peter's game did. It did so poorly that they've been giving it away for free on PS+ for about 8 months now. And the biggest complaint people have about Spider-Man 2 is how much of a fricking b***h Miles makes Peter look.
Miles movies were popular because they had a large supporting cast of Peter Parkers.
If the next movie removed all traces of Peter Parker (And Gwen) and was only about Miles, it wouldn't do as well, as evidenced by both game and comic sales.
Even in his newest movie, the character who stole the show was Miguel. Imagine how shocked all the latin normies were to discover that there's been a latino Spider-Man for decades just sitting there collecting dust, and they never had to piggyback off Miles who is only half latino and is treated as being all black.
>Miles spin-off game only sold about a third of what Peter's game did.
See you guys always say that but conveniently leave off the actual numbers. Miles's game sold 6 million copies which shits on the sales of 99% of games that aren't named Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty
>Miles's game sold 6 million copies which shits on the sales of 99% of games that aren't named Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty
Considering Spider-Man is Sony's triple A brand, the fact that it made less than the original is not a good sign and probably a sign that the producers know that Miles can't stand on his own.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>the fact that it made less than the original is not a good sign and probably a sign that the producers know that Miles can't stand on his own.
Anon do you know how many copies the original sold? 24 million+, there are only a handful of franchises that can pull that off the fact that an asset flip barely different game could sell even a third of that is a miracle. Like I said originally you can rag on Miles for his dogshit comic but his non comic stuff seems to do well which is a thing that Captain Marvel is incapable of pulling off. It's probably why he's still unfortunately as prominent as he is
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon do you know how many copies the original sold? 24 million+
Which only shows how weak Miles' drawing power is without Peter. 6 million on a Sony console is pretty weak given how dried the game well is these days.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>6 million on a Sony console is pretty weak given how dried the game well is these days.
Anon six million sales is not weak on ANY platform. That's fricking gang busters, there are AAA devs who would kill for those kinds of sales .Hell Square Enix started gloating that FF16 got 3 million sales and that's a waning franchise AND a PS5 exclusive so your point makes no sense. I get that you have a bias against Miles but you're trying to warp reality to make an impressive feat for a kinda shit character not impressive. You also keep ignoring the fact that my point is in comparing Miles to Cap Marvel who keeps getting chances despite not even having a single successful movie let alone two
5 months ago
Anonymous
>That's fricking gang busters
That's less than freaking Horizon, Sony's other triple A title.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Again I don't know what to tell you here but it did good no matter how much you want to pretend it didn't besides you are again forgetting the part about how Cap Marvel can't even sell a movie while Miles can at least can. I don't get why you want to fight about this so bad when we could be laughing at the continued failures of Cap Marvel
5 months ago
Anonymous
>sells a fraction by leeching of a bigger brand
keep coping
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Hell Square Enix started gloating that FF16 got 3 million sales
Gloating? More like damage controlling. FF16 is in the running for being one of the worst selling titles in FF history. And I can promise you that its budget is not one of FF's lowest.
I still remember that cringed madeup story about a cancer patient survived his chemotheraphy thanks to Geoff Johns's GL run. Like, what the hell, even a Cinemaphile greentext is more convincing than that shilling.
New 52 was all garbage. The only good runs were Swampthing and Red Lantern, both were written by Charles Soule. Everything Geoff Johns wrote were boring.
Remember when they had a weekly to commemorate Robin's 75th anniversary but half the weekly was about her and how she was actually meant to be Batman's ultimate Robin?
>try to kill Dick 72687926 times and wipe his whole generation out of the DCU because they make Batman look old >keep Bruce's actual biological child and age him up to 13
Damian was only pushed outside of comics.
Inside of comics he was killed, sidelined and almost made Hilter. He also had to fend off writer OC like Duke and Harper, and also now a gay Tim Drake. If it weren't for him being in the coming movies I have no doubt gay Tim would be the only Robin.
>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol >Nothing but shitty slop ever since >Extremely vocal minority opine that she was robbed and that she's the best and everyone would love her if she just got a chance and Babs sucks and- >Finally gets multiple shots >Fumbles every single one
Fricking embarrassing character with cringe ass fans
>>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol
No Man's Land is such a moronic story, even for comic books.
>Tim had to work for his spot on the team >Steph had to work for her spot on the team >Cass joins in less time because she's a super awesome battle prodigy like in my animes
>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol >Nothing but shitty slop ever since >Extremely vocal minority opine that she was robbed and that she's the best and everyone would love her if she just got a chance and Babs sucks and- >Finally gets multiple shots >Fumbles every single one
Fricking embarrassing character with cringe ass fans
It is absolute bullshit that Cass couldn't even speak or read and she gets a batsuit. Insanity that Bruce had the gall to make Helena take off the suit and quit because she wasn't living up to his "standards"...then just points to the random feral woman in the room and asks her to be Batgirl 5 minutes later.
>Tim had to work for his spot on the team >Steph had to work for her spot on the team >Cass joins in less time because she's a super awesome battle prodigy like in my animes
Worst Batfam member coming through.
>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol >Nothing but shitty slop ever since >Extremely vocal minority opine that she was robbed and that she's the best and everyone would love her if she just got a chance and Babs sucks and- >Finally gets multiple shots >Fumbles every single one
Fricking embarrassing character with cringe ass fans
>>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol
No Man's Land is such a moronic story, even for comic books.
Who the frick invited Didio and Harras here? Get the frick out. You were fired for a reason you moronic boomers.
>Who should I trust with the mantle of Batgirl? I KNOW! You, young daughter of hired killers who literally does not know how to talk, YOU WILL BE THE NEXT BATGURL
I think its really funny when Dixon guest wrote some issues he just had her do basic batman shit and she sucked because being the 'bestest martial artist evarr' has no bearing on 90% of Batman stories.
feels like DC got really desperate and were shocked that they finally struck gold with a new original character that got popular and instead of letting batkek settle down into the DC universe, they pushed him way too much, milked him hard, and made him a batgod all within a short amount of time, which made his existence in universe and IRL, a threat to DC itself if they let this new monstrosity continue to exist.
I liked Harper Row. Her story felt more organic than Cassandra or Stephanie. She wasn't an autistic fighting god with anime-tier power levels and she wasn't a moron side character who'd failed her way into both the Robin and Batgirl costumes, she was just a cute girl with a passion for electrical engineering who lived in Gotham City. The second they turned her into Bluebird it was over, but she could have hung around as a Harold type.
She was pushed, failed to get over, and her fans cope about sabotage and bad writers instead of accepting that she just isn't popular and it's because she's dull.
She had her solo run. She had that City of Light Mini that was done by Matt Wagner's proteges(they ended up being nobodies).She was key to Bruce wayne murderer. She got the mini after her evil era that tried to fix things. She got Gates of Gotham. All of Batman and Robin eternal was meant to reintroduce her. She's in a movie.The head of DC movies likes her and name drops her a lot. She's in a few cartoons.
Are all of these good? Nope. But she's not suffering from lack of a push.
What the frick? You're listing shit that RUINED her. Do you think any appearance in a comic is automatically a push? Wow, that Emerald Twilight sure as hell pushed Hal Jordan!
She had one good run. That's enough to decide that she's a good character. It's proof that she can carry a good comic. Actual bad characters can't. In fact most characters never get a single good run.
believe it or not, they don't go out of their way to give characters starring roles in things just to ruin them. Heavily critical fanboys might hate it, but part of the double edged sword of making a character more prominent is rolling with the punches that not every push is going to be something you like.
Give me one good reason why John Stewart shouldn't killed and have his spot taken by Jo Mullein. >but stupid hair
Guy Gardner rocked that shitty bowlcut for thirty years, I never saw you homies complain about it.
>Stewart is an organic black character and not ESG bait
John Stewart was created by honky motherfrickers who have never lived in the ghetto while Jo Mullien was created by two black people.
Guy actually only had the bowl cut for about nine years, despite how iconic it seems to be. He first had it when he woke up from his long ass coma in 1985 and got rid of it when he reinvented himself as Warrior in 1994.
I actually liked Harper as a support character. I thought she'd be a civvie like Leslie or Lucius, Help Batman with engineering shit around Gotham, maybe even end up his mechanic.
Then she put on a costume and it was instantly terrible.
Carol Danvers
Kamala Khan
Kyle Rayner
pic unrelated
Beloved by who? The people who only watched the awful DCAU cartoon and never picked up a GL comic? John Stewart is a supporting character pushed for the sake of his skin color.
>the awful DCAU cartoon
Your contrarian is showing. You're not as smart as you think you are.
>Excerpts from the Justice League Panel at the 2001 San Diego Comic Con:
>Bruce Timm: He’s the most controversial character so far from what we’ve been gathering on the Internet. When the show’s lineup was first announced, there were a lot of people saying, “Why aren’t they using Hal Jordan? No, it’s got to be Guy Gardner. No, it’s got to be Kyle Rayner.” Obviously, we picked the wrong one, but the reason we did choose John Stewart are various—I think they’re all valid. Right off the bat, I’ll just say it: you know we did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League. We felt that the show is going to be seen worldwide and I think having a member of the Justice League who is not just “Mr. White Bread” is a good thing.
lol
Hal Jordan is mister White Bread and Kyle's niche was already filled by Wally. Jon being a soldier and a proper "disciplined" hero was a good choice for several arcs.
>Jon being a soldier and a proper "disciplined" hero was a good choice for several arcs.
John was stoic hardass in a team with other stoic hardasses. You know things are dire when his only story is a forced romance with another soldier character that tramples source material.
>Other stoic hardasses
Only Wonder Woman. Batman was a Lone Wolf and superman only became a hard ass when Darkseid was involved.
>Forced romance
The only confirmed main romance in the main roster and the only one allowed to develop in any way because it did its own thing. If you care so much about sticking to the "source material", just go read that. The DCAU is clearly its own continuity and people b***hing about source materials don't get that things change when adapted to new mediums. Literal autists.
>Only Wonder Woman.
And Batman.
And Martian Manhunter.
>The DCAU is clearly its own continuity
And? That doesn't spare it for its dogshit takes on John and Hawkgirl or the fact that the romance was dogshit.
Whatever the frick you say, anon.
You know what I don't understand is why John/Guy team ups aren't the default condition for them. Straightlaced soldier and loose cannon cop is the stuff classic buddy cop adventures are made of
I don't think most comic writers even remember all the GLs. There's like 7 now? Counting the gun guy and the new girl GL?
>I don't think most comic writers even remember all the GLs
They're going to have to acknowledge Jessica Cruz because of that dumb supergirl cartoon despite the fact that her comic was a massive bomb.
>Counting the gun guy and the new girl GL?
Which one? There's three girl GLs now; Jessica Cruz, Big Booty Lesbian, and the Bendis baby.
Wait, which one is the black lady with the stupid anime pompadour haircut?
Jo Mullein, she sits on Hal Jordan's face.
She's got a great body and face bit I fricking hate these meme black girl hairstyles. That looks like poop on her head.
Everyone forgot about the Bendis lantern.
Baz
>>Tai Pham
Same with them.
Tai was just for a young adult book but DC seems to have plans for him, at least to some degree.
>but DC seems to have plans for him, at least to some degree.
A shitty miniseries that will sell like shit, but redditors will love it because the main writer and artist will be PeeOhCees and it one a meaningless award. You know, like Far Sector.
>Hal Jordan
>Guy Gardner
>John Stewart
>Kyle Rayner
>Simon Baz
>Jessica Cruz
>Jo Mullein
>Keli Quintela
>Tai Pham
So that's 9. Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once. Of course that's not counting Alan, Jade (who had a ring at some point), or temporary characters like that Russian chick.
Let's just tally up the "full time GLs" for now.
>Tai is canon now as of Dawn of DC but he hasn't actually done anything beyond appearing in the background once.
When did that happen?
>There's like 7 now?
>Alan (unrelated but related)
>Hal
>John
>Guy
>Kyle
>Baz
>Jessica
Killiwog (bumming it on Earth with Hal)
>The black chick with the trench coat
>The little girl with the pirate GL ring/battery
>The Chinese kid who might be an OGN only character IDK
And that's just the human/Earth Green lanterns
If you're listing Alan you might as well list Jade.
Holy shit, you're a genius!
>Kyle's niche was already filled by Wally.
Neither Kyle or Wally are careless jokesters who are full of themselves.
Yeah, they aren't. They are lovable goofs that are surprisingly competent and effective when push comes to shove. What are you even talking about, anon?
Kyle isn't a lovable goof, he's a depressed frick up.
>Awful DCAU cartoon
Back to your shitty comics, grognard. Don't you have to buy another re-re-reboot?
he sad bad characters, hes one of the most loved GL's you tard.
Pic related is basically the poster boy for this shit.
That's not Kyle.
This. Frick that little gremlin.
Say what you will at least Miles has two successful movies and a pretty damn successful spin off game despite consistantly dogshit comics which is more than Cap Marvel has
>Say what you will at least Miles has two successful movies and a pretty damn successful spin off game
Miles spin-off game only sold about a third of what Peter's game did. It did so poorly that they've been giving it away for free on PS+ for about 8 months now. And the biggest complaint people have about Spider-Man 2 is how much of a fricking b***h Miles makes Peter look.
Miles movies were popular because they had a large supporting cast of Peter Parkers.
If the next movie removed all traces of Peter Parker (And Gwen) and was only about Miles, it wouldn't do as well, as evidenced by both game and comic sales.
Even in his newest movie, the character who stole the show was Miguel. Imagine how shocked all the latin normies were to discover that there's been a latino Spider-Man for decades just sitting there collecting dust, and they never had to piggyback off Miles who is only half latino and is treated as being all black.
>Miles spin-off game only sold about a third of what Peter's game did.
See you guys always say that but conveniently leave off the actual numbers. Miles's game sold 6 million copies which shits on the sales of 99% of games that aren't named Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty
>Miles's game sold 6 million copies which shits on the sales of 99% of games that aren't named Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty
Considering Spider-Man is Sony's triple A brand, the fact that it made less than the original is not a good sign and probably a sign that the producers know that Miles can't stand on his own.
>the fact that it made less than the original is not a good sign and probably a sign that the producers know that Miles can't stand on his own.
Anon do you know how many copies the original sold? 24 million+, there are only a handful of franchises that can pull that off the fact that an asset flip barely different game could sell even a third of that is a miracle. Like I said originally you can rag on Miles for his dogshit comic but his non comic stuff seems to do well which is a thing that Captain Marvel is incapable of pulling off. It's probably why he's still unfortunately as prominent as he is
>Anon do you know how many copies the original sold? 24 million+
Which only shows how weak Miles' drawing power is without Peter. 6 million on a Sony console is pretty weak given how dried the game well is these days.
>6 million on a Sony console is pretty weak given how dried the game well is these days.
Anon six million sales is not weak on ANY platform. That's fricking gang busters, there are AAA devs who would kill for those kinds of sales .Hell Square Enix started gloating that FF16 got 3 million sales and that's a waning franchise AND a PS5 exclusive so your point makes no sense. I get that you have a bias against Miles but you're trying to warp reality to make an impressive feat for a kinda shit character not impressive. You also keep ignoring the fact that my point is in comparing Miles to Cap Marvel who keeps getting chances despite not even having a single successful movie let alone two
>That's fricking gang busters
That's less than freaking Horizon, Sony's other triple A title.
Again I don't know what to tell you here but it did good no matter how much you want to pretend it didn't besides you are again forgetting the part about how Cap Marvel can't even sell a movie while Miles can at least can. I don't get why you want to fight about this so bad when we could be laughing at the continued failures of Cap Marvel
>sells a fraction by leeching of a bigger brand
keep coping
>Hell Square Enix started gloating that FF16 got 3 million sales
Gloating? More like damage controlling. FF16 is in the running for being one of the worst selling titles in FF history. And I can promise you that its budget is not one of FF's lowest.
Miles needs to be carried by the cast because alone he flops.
Go write a comic book Geoff.
I still remember that cringed madeup story about a cancer patient survived his chemotheraphy thanks to Geoff Johns's GL run. Like, what the hell, even a Cinemaphile greentext is more convincing than that shilling.
Last time DC/GL was worth a damn too.
New 52 was all garbage. The only good runs were Swampthing and Red Lantern, both were written by Charles Soule. Everything Geoff Johns wrote were boring.
What's your problem with Booster Gold?
damian
Remember when they had a weekly to commemorate Robin's 75th anniversary but half the weekly was about her and how she was actually meant to be Batman's ultimate Robin?
>try to kill Dick 72687926 times and wipe his whole generation out of the DCU because they make Batman look old
>keep Bruce's actual biological child and age him up to 13
Why was Didio so moronic
>try to kill Dick 72687926 times
If only..
And yeah, Damian does get so much undeserved push.
Damian was only pushed outside of comics.
Inside of comics he was killed, sidelined and almost made Hilter. He also had to fend off writer OC like Duke and Harper, and also now a gay Tim Drake. If it weren't for him being in the coming movies I have no doubt gay Tim would be the only Robin.
It would've been Duke. They want a black Robin badly.
They already made him Robin in that Bat-Wheels show.
You can bet that will raise a generation of kids who think Duke's an actual Robin.
Whomst?
"Fan favorite" Harper Row aka Bluebird
A character that I'm pretty sure doesn't have a single actual fan
Well, I never heard of her, so I'd have to agree.
I'll get the most obvious out of the way
She wasn't a bad character until she started getting pushed
They have been trying and failing for more than ten goddamn years and counting
>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol
>Nothing but shitty slop ever since
>Extremely vocal minority opine that she was robbed and that she's the best and everyone would love her if she just got a chance and Babs sucks and-
>Finally gets multiple shots
>Fumbles every single one
Fricking embarrassing character with cringe ass fans
>blaming character for bad writers who don't do research
KYS
>>One decent run where she's just a bog standard kung fu asian sterotype who can beat Batman because lol
No Man's Land is such a moronic story, even for comic books.
>Tim had to work for his spot on the team
>Steph had to work for her spot on the team
>Cass joins in less time because she's a super awesome battle prodigy like in my animes
It is absolute bullshit that Cass couldn't even speak or read and she gets a batsuit. Insanity that Bruce had the gall to make Helena take off the suit and quit because she wasn't living up to his "standards"...then just points to the random feral woman in the room and asks her to be Batgirl 5 minutes later.
Who the frick invited Didio and Harras here? Get the frick out. You were fired for a reason you moronic boomers.
This isn't your circlejerk thread, cassgay, deal with discussion of your character's flaws
Almost like the first two were normal civilians and the third one was a child soldier.
>Who should I trust with the mantle of Batgirl? I KNOW! You, young daughter of hired killers who literally does not know how to talk, YOU WILL BE THE NEXT BATGURL
Yeah that worked out great when they put JPV in a batsuit right?
>nooo you can't criticize my character with two years of decent issues tops!
JPV did fine the writers just went insane when they brought Bruce back and made him a giant fricking butthole.
asiaticgirl anon, I want you to know that you're based as frick for relentlessly shitting on this character in every batgirls thread
Peter Tomasi, I want you to know that you're based as frick for relentlessly shitting on this character in every batgirls thread
Her gimp mask is weird and fun, I like the design.
I think its really funny when Dixon guest wrote some issues he just had her do basic batman shit and she sucked because being the 'bestest martial artist evarr' has no bearing on 90% of Batman stories.
So what I'm gathering is that you guys are mad when a character has strengths, and you're also mad when a chracter has flaws. Got it.
tini howard? yeah, good answer.
I could post every Bat character invented in the past 15 years but none of them got the moronicly overdone push Kekman got.
cool idea and cool concept, they just fricking milked that shit dry man.
feels like DC got really desperate and were shocked that they finally struck gold with a new original character that got popular and instead of letting batkek settle down into the DC universe, they pushed him way too much, milked him hard, and made him a batgod all within a short amount of time, which made his existence in universe and IRL, a threat to DC itself if they let this new monstrosity continue to exist.
>cool idea
>just doing Pinhead and Judge Death
Sure, genius.
>the only white male ITT
I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
where did she go? I dont recall seeing her anymore in recent batman comics where the batfamily showed up
They stopped pushing Harper after she got zero natural support from anyone. Same fate that awaits Signal.
I liked Harper Row. Her story felt more organic than Cassandra or Stephanie. She wasn't an autistic fighting god with anime-tier power levels and she wasn't a moron side character who'd failed her way into both the Robin and Batgirl costumes, she was just a cute girl with a passion for electrical engineering who lived in Gotham City. The second they turned her into Bluebird it was over, but she could have hung around as a Harold type.
>Same fate that awaits Signal.
God I wish
Worst Batfam member coming through.
Agreed, Tim Drake sucks now.
>Cass
>Pushed
Tell me you didn't understand the topic without saying it.
She was pushed, failed to get over, and her fans cope about sabotage and bad writers instead of accepting that she just isn't popular and it's because she's dull.
She’s popular because the concept of autistic Asian battle waifus is popular with losers.
She had her solo run. She had that City of Light Mini that was done by Matt Wagner's proteges(they ended up being nobodies).She was key to Bruce wayne murderer. She got the mini after her evil era that tried to fix things. She got Gates of Gotham. All of Batman and Robin eternal was meant to reintroduce her. She's in a movie.The head of DC movies likes her and name drops her a lot. She's in a few cartoons.
Are all of these good? Nope. But she's not suffering from lack of a push.
What the frick? You're listing shit that RUINED her. Do you think any appearance in a comic is automatically a push? Wow, that Emerald Twilight sure as hell pushed Hal Jordan!
She had one good run. That's enough to decide that she's a good character. It's proof that she can carry a good comic. Actual bad characters can't. In fact most characters never get a single good run.
believe it or not, they don't go out of their way to give characters starring roles in things just to ruin them. Heavily critical fanboys might hate it, but part of the double edged sword of making a character more prominent is rolling with the punches that not every push is going to be something you like.
I don't read really any Bat comics but I thought Cassandra Cain's gimmick was that she didn't talk and communicated through punching.
When they gave her an ongoing that was the first thing that they changed. A telepath did it.
Give me one good reason why John Stewart shouldn't killed and have his spot taken by Jo Mullein.
>but stupid hair
Guy Gardner rocked that shitty bowlcut for thirty years, I never saw you homies complain about it.
Stewart is an organic black character and not ESG bait
>Stewart is an organic black character and not ESG bait
John Stewart was created by honky motherfrickers who have never lived in the ghetto while Jo Mullien was created by two black people.
that's not a positive thing.
Yet Denny O'Neil and Neil Adams being tone deaf cucks was?
so an ESG character being made by blacks suddenly makes it not ESG?
I have always prefer John over Hal. Hal seems too whiny too me, especially in Jeoff Johns era.
>I have always prefer John over Hal.
sorry for your terrible taste
Guy actually only had the bowl cut for about nine years, despite how iconic it seems to be. He first had it when he woke up from his long ass coma in 1985 and got rid of it when he reinvented himself as Warrior in 1994.
Every marvel character from 2014 all new all marvel
Frick you Robbie was based as frick
holy 2012-2014, that scott snyder poochie was a thing. Even his brother is more famous than her.
I actually liked Harper as a support character. I thought she'd be a civvie like Leslie or Lucius, Help Batman with engineering shit around Gotham, maybe even end up his mechanic.
Then she put on a costume and it was instantly terrible.